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Sauron Player 
Pharos
Level 10
Warrior
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24th January 2023 15:59:54
As a shaman i must say hailstorm should be an instant spell raised to 4s cd and its damage similar to inferno.
I don't know much concerning warlocks although being logical cross of annihilation could also hit equal inferno and 4s cd. That's our first view of balacing changes, obviously just the second day today, i think still far away from the goal proposed to perform. |
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Paladin Dark Player 
Elysium
Level 34
Warrior
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24th January 2023 16:45:30 Quoting Miimixu: Quoting Sanoman: Quoting Miimixu: @Ritari The numbers would need to be changed heavily to even have a meaningful impact, even after these changes I would bet Pyros are still 100% ahead of all others. dude i don't know why it's so hard to understand that pyro has 5 stars in dmg, and that spells are focused on area damage, old man if you think pyromancer is wonderful start playing pyro it's so simple, but for you it's easier spends the day with his butt on the chair watching char uping in the script and wants to do the same pyromancer xp, goes to study and work and looks for something useful in life that keeps hammering on the same key I know you're a pyro and you're worried about your class getting even more nerfs (It has to be nerfed if they don't want to bring others up). Talking about "Well Pyros have FIVE stars" means nothing, thats just a random number they added, Barbarians are 4.5 stars and they're over 100% exp behind, so if you get 40kk, they're on 20kk. Before just making random assumptions about me the last 2 seasonal servers I played Pyro but thanks for the insight in to what I do  Quoting Paladin Dark: Congratulations to all the zezenia community, they have already achieved their goal, the pyro is already useless in exp and in pvp. Now only barbarian and paladin are missing again since cleave returned to 2s Pyro useless in EXP You are playing the class very very wrong if that is the case, even with these nerfs they're still 80%~ above any other class. The thing is the staff need to come out and say what they think is a reasonable gap between the classes, if they think Pyros should be 80-100% ahead of everyone else then no more balancing is needed, but if they want the gap to be 15-25% a LOT more needs to be done. now look at the pyro in pvp that nerf does not help at all if the enemy is at a distance, now look at the warlock and shaman have a 10% increase in all their ranged spells |
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Rockjsokc Player 
Everest
Level 13
Mage
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24th January 2023 17:06:51 Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Sanoman: Quoting Miimixu: @Ritari The numbers would need to be changed heavily to even have a meaningful impact, even after these changes I would bet Pyros are still 100% ahead of all others. dude i don't know why it's so hard to understand that pyro has 5 stars in dmg, and that spells are focused on area damage, old man if you think pyromancer is wonderful start playing pyro it's so simple, but for you it's easier spends the day with his butt on the chair watching char uping in the script and wants to do the same pyromancer xp, goes to study and work and looks for something useful in life that keeps hammering on the same key Wtf, be honest buddy. If you use those stars ingame as base, pyro 5 stars and barb 4,5 stars. Sooooo... if you hit 28kk h, barb should make 90% of that, 25,2kk h(4,5/5 = 0,9 = 90%, bc i see you have some difficulties), and thats not true at all!! The top level barbarian once said he peaks 17kk h, and hes 70 levels above you!!!  And dont talk about botting, you hunt HC DK all day with bot. You just need to walk  Apparently, someone bought a Ferrari, but has no license to use it! It is ridiculous that a level 780 barbarian gets the same exp as a level 600 barbarian! He probably doesn't know how to play! |
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Melecossauro Rex Player 
Elysium
Level 18
Ranger
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24th January 2023 17:15:18 Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Sanoman: Quoting Miimixu: @Ritari The numbers would need to be changed heavily to even have a meaningful impact, even after these changes I would bet Pyros are still 100% ahead of all others. dude i don't know why it's so hard to understand that pyro has 5 stars in dmg, and that spells are focused on area damage, old man if you think pyromancer is wonderful start playing pyro it's so simple, but for you it's easier spends the day with his butt on the chair watching char uping in the script and wants to do the same pyromancer xp, goes to study and work and looks for something useful in life that keeps hammering on the same key Wtf, be honest buddy. If you use those stars ingame as base, pyro 5 stars and barb 4,5 stars. Sooooo... if you hit 28kk h, barb should make 90% of that, 25,2kk h(4,5/5 = 0,9 = 90%, bc i see you have some difficulties), and thats not true at all!! The top level barbarian once said he peaks 17kk h, and hes 70 levels above you!!! And dont talk about botting, you hunt HC DK all day with bot. You just need to walk Apparently, someone bought a Ferrari, but has no license to use it! It is ridiculous that a level 780 barbarian gets the same exp as a level 600 barbarian! He probably doesn't know how to play! level 780 barb in 1x my friend. those numbers are in 1x server. he cant play, you cant read/think |
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Rockjsokc Player
Everest
Level 13
Mage
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24th January 2023 17:25:45 Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Sanoman: Quoting Miimixu: @Ritari The numbers would need to be changed heavily to even have a meaningful impact, even after these changes I would bet Pyros are still 100% ahead of all others. dude i don't know why it's so hard to understand that pyro has 5 stars in dmg, and that spells are focused on area damage, old man if you think pyromancer is wonderful start playing pyro it's so simple, but for you it's easier spends the day with his butt on the chair watching char uping in the script and wants to do the same pyromancer xp, goes to study and work and looks for something useful in life that keeps hammering on the same key Wtf, be honest buddy. If you use those stars ingame as base, pyro 5 stars and barb 4,5 stars. Sooooo... if you hit 28kk h, barb should make 90% of that, 25,2kk h(4,5/5 = 0,9 = 90%, bc i see you have some difficulties), and thats not true at all!! The top level barbarian once said he peaks 17kk h, and hes 70 levels above you!!! And dont talk about botting, you hunt HC DK all day with bot. You just need to walk Apparently, someone bought a Ferrari, but has no license to use it! It is ridiculous that a level 780 barbarian gets the same exp as a level 600 barbarian! He probably doesn't know how to play! level 780 barb in 1x my friend. those numbers are in 1x server. he cant play, you cant read/think 35 exp/hour divided by 2, it's not that hard, using your brain, is it? 17,5 with barbarian 600 on geck zah! And of course, debuff, exp and elit/enraged |
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Briareu Sage 
Elysium
Level 974
Warrior
24
3K
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24th January 2023 18:59:56 (Last edited 24th January 2023 19:02:16) Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Sanoman: Quoting Miimixu: @Ritari The numbers would need to be changed heavily to even have a meaningful impact, even after these changes I would bet Pyros are still 100% ahead of all others. dude i don't know why it's so hard to understand that pyro has 5 stars in dmg, and that spells are focused on area damage, old man if you think pyromancer is wonderful start playing pyro it's so simple, but for you it's easier spends the day with his butt on the chair watching char uping in the script and wants to do the same pyromancer xp, goes to study and work and looks for something useful in life that keeps hammering on the same key Wtf, be honest buddy. If you use those stars ingame as base, pyro 5 stars and barb 4,5 stars. Sooooo... if you hit 28kk h, barb should make 90% of that, 25,2kk h(4,5/5 = 0,9 = 90%, bc i see you have some difficulties), and thats not true at all!! The top level barbarian once said he peaks 17kk h, and hes 70 levels above you!!! And dont talk about botting, you hunt HC DK all day with bot. You just need to walk Apparently, someone bought a Ferrari, but has no license to use it! It is ridiculous that a level 780 barbarian gets the same exp as a level 600 barbarian! He probably doesn't know how to play! level 780 barb in 1x my friend. those numbers are in 1x server. he cant play, you cant read/think 35 exp/hour divided by 2, it's not that hard, using your brain, is it? 17,5 with barbarian 600 on geck zah! And of course, debuff, exp and elit/enraged Hello my friend. If possible, tell me how to do it. i cant hunt geck zards, they break. and i dont reach 17kk at zah. idk who told you those numbers, theyr very wierd. as a barbarian, i really doubt those numbers. even full boosted. the very best exp for me (not to your godlike lv 600 barb friend) is magician bears 5 on me and 2.. 3 out, takin the two stairs with the brown brears (if not it breaks), full boosted, scroll, stamina... both bears boosted.... max 17kk/h (solo ofc) teach me that magic please :) |
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Rockjsokc Player
Everest
Level 13
Mage
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24th January 2023 19:47:25 Quoting Briareu: Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Sanoman: Quoting Miimixu: @Ritari The numbers would need to be changed heavily to even have a meaningful impact, even after these changes I would bet Pyros are still 100% ahead of all others. dude i don't know why it's so hard to understand that pyro has 5 stars in dmg, and that spells are focused on area damage, old man if you think pyromancer is wonderful start playing pyro it's so simple, but for you it's easier spends the day with his butt on the chair watching char uping in the script and wants to do the same pyromancer xp, goes to study and work and looks for something useful in life that keeps hammering on the same key Wtf, be honest buddy. If you use those stars ingame as base, pyro 5 stars and barb 4,5 stars. Sooooo... if you hit 28kk h, barb should make 90% of that, 25,2kk h(4,5/5 = 0,9 = 90%, bc i see you have some difficulties), and thats not true at all!! The top level barbarian once said he peaks 17kk h, and hes 70 levels above you!!! And dont talk about botting, you hunt HC DK all day with bot. You just need to walk Apparently, someone bought a Ferrari, but has no license to use it! It is ridiculous that a level 780 barbarian gets the same exp as a level 600 barbarian! He probably doesn't know how to play! level 780 barb in 1x my friend. those numbers are in 1x server. he cant play, you cant read/think 35 exp/hour divided by 2, it's not that hard, using your brain, is it? 17,5 with barbarian 600 on geck zah! And of course, debuff, exp and elit/enraged Hello my friend. If possible, tell me how to do it. i cant hunt geck zards, they break. and i dont reach 17kk at zah. idk who told you those numbers, theyr very wierd. as a barbarian, i really doubt those numbers. even full boosted. the very best exp for me (not to your godlike lv 600 barb friend) is magician bears 5 on me and 2.. 3 out, takin the two stairs with the brown brears (if not it breaks), full boosted, scroll, stamina... both bears boosted.... max 17kk/h (solo ofc) teach me that magic please :) I recommend that you play another class, apparently barbarian is not your best class, and no, I did not lie in any part of what I said. You should look for another kave, because the maximum zah reaches is 17.5, just like bear! We don't have a good resp for barbarian; There's no magic! 
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Briareu Sage
Elysium
Level 974
Warrior
24
3K
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24th January 2023 19:58:19 (Last edited 24th January 2023 20:00:15) Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Briareu: Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Chupinsky: Quoting Melecossauro Rex: Quoting Sanoman: Quoting Miimixu: @Ritari The numbers would need to be changed heavily to even have a meaningful impact, even after these changes I would bet Pyros are still 100% ahead of all others. dude i don't know why it's so hard to understand that pyro has 5 stars in dmg, and that spells are focused on area damage, old man if you think pyromancer is wonderful start playing pyro it's so simple, but for you it's easier spends the day with his butt on the chair watching char uping in the script and wants to do the same pyromancer xp, goes to study and work and looks for something useful in life that keeps hammering on the same key Wtf, be honest buddy. If you use those stars ingame as base, pyro 5 stars and barb 4,5 stars. Sooooo... if you hit 28kk h, barb should make 90% of that, 25,2kk h(4,5/5 = 0,9 = 90%, bc i see you have some difficulties), and thats not true at all!! The top level barbarian once said he peaks 17kk h, and hes 70 levels above you!!! And dont talk about botting, you hunt HC DK all day with bot. You just need to walk Apparently, someone bought a Ferrari, but has no license to use it! It is ridiculous that a level 780 barbarian gets the same exp as a level 600 barbarian! He probably doesn't know how to play! level 780 barb in 1x my friend. those numbers are in 1x server. he cant play, you cant read/think 35 exp/hour divided by 2, it's not that hard, using your brain, is it? 17,5 with barbarian 600 on geck zah! And of course, debuff, exp and elit/enraged Hello my friend. If possible, tell me how to do it. i cant hunt geck zards, they break. and i dont reach 17kk at zah. idk who told you those numbers, theyr very wierd. as a barbarian, i really doubt those numbers. even full boosted. the very best exp for me (not to your godlike lv 600 barb friend) is magician bears 5 on me and 2.. 3 out, takin the two stairs with the brown brears (if not it breaks), full boosted, scroll, stamina... both bears boosted.... max 17kk/h (solo ofc) teach me that magic please :) I recommend that you play another class, apparently barbarian is not your best class, and no, I did not lie in any part of what I said. You should look for another kave, because the maximum zah reaches is 17.5, just like bear! We don't have a good resp for barbarian; There's no magic! yeah yeah, im just amazed that you can reach 17kk with 180 levels less than me. impressive....
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Fox Taime Player 
Elysium
Level 185
Mage
S4
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24th January 2023 20:17:24 (Last edited 24th January 2023 20:23:54) Quoting Miimixu: Ranger: Maker Ricochet hit 2 extra targets 100% first bounce and 50% second bounce. Bring back the life steal spell. Mages: Make Shaman/Warlocks 4s/3s/2s ricochet to 1 other target. Sure. Ricochet can be used for others subclasses (main single target). For rangers seems good 100% (first extra target) and 66% (second one). Shamans and warlocks, 75% (first extra target) and 66% (second one). Quoting Miimixu: Barbarian: Make shockwave 2 second cooldown. Raise RoF 50% Paladin: Cleave should be 50% increased damage and Shield bash hits 2 other monsters for 50% of the original damage. For barbarians proposals are ok. Paladins +25% for cleave and shield slam changed to hit 3sqm ahead. |
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Briareu Sage
Elysium
Level 974
Warrior
24
3K
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24th January 2023 21:00:20 Quoting Disturbed Maverick: Quoting Miimixu: Ranger: Maker Ricochet hit 2 extra targets 100% first bounce and 50% second bounce. Bring back the life steal spell. Mages: Make Shaman/Warlocks 4s/3s/2s ricochet to 1 other target. Sure. Ricochet can be used for others subclasses (main single target). For rangers seems good 100% (first extra target) and 66% (second one). Shamans and warlocks, 75% (first extra target) and 66% (second one). Quoting Miimixu: Barbarian: Make shockwave 2 second cooldown. Raise RoF 50% Paladin: Cleave should be 50% increased damage and Shield bash hits 2 other monsters for 50% of the original damage. For barbarians proposals are ok. Paladins +25% for cleave and shield slam changed to hit 3sqm ahead. I agree that no other class should deal more damage at point blank than a barbarian, and that is not happening. i hit 1980 on shockwave(785 barb), 4sec. and a lv 500 pyro ml 80 hit more than 2000 from inferno, 4sec, at a huge aoe. so, without greedy i really think that shockwave should hit harder. but not being 2sec and 50% buff. and RoF should get a buff at the back area ( i hit 500-550), and a little more at front. arround 10% at shock and RoF front. dont forget wer talking about pve |