Dear Robin Shoot
Godzilla doesnt have clear intentions in nerving pyro
He is mannipulating and fabricating evidences
He was showing screenshoots after killing an elite dk which boosted exp/h in zezenia window.
Everybody can do that on every profession,which is a hard manipulation. He was talking some fairytailes about pyro making 30kk/h on x1 lol which is total false. What I ve noticed today, is Sanoman, 715 pyro boosted full hardcore devil in the middle of the day and he made 35 mln this day.
@Staff You need to investigate this, it might be the biggest affair and manipulation that zezenia ever saw, made by godzilla.
#stopnervingpyro

1. Accusing all community for botting
2. After playing this game for almost 3 years I dont know about bot that he is telling about, maybe because I dont support cheating like this in game's. But as we see he is well informed about bots and bot site. Maybe its his site? For sure this post tell us all, that he is using all stuff that I have mentioned before, after that confession I think, that 50% of times he isnt even using arrows from keybord to move...
3. Thats "great" to write such things on forum, which very often is being read by new people that want to start playing new game. After seeing things like this written by godzilla, they simple avoid that game... His post, like writer, should be banished.
4. And the best part is, now I know why in the past he made post about short bans for botters... probably he has its own "farm' and would like to enjoy fully botted 300lvl's which finally get caught.

I will let You all to draw conclusions by yourself from what he has written...
#stopmanipulation
#stopnerfingpyro

@Godzilla
Nobody here argued about the amount of botting. Hello, that's the entire problem here which makes balancing useless as long as that problem exists. You want the only vocation which allows the manual players to somewhat compete with paladins, but still fail miserable, be deleted or nerfed to the ground.

My 'backed-up feedback that you desire' are the highscores e.g. the results of the entire playerbase for the duration that the game existed that are not deleted for botting as well as today's situation in the form of experience gained last week. That seems me a slightly stronger argument than a single person saying "pyro gains twice as much exp/h" Ow shit, not a single objective statistic show that they are actually oppressive. Well "people don't know how to play pyromancer, but it still has to be deleted."

The fact that 4738+ subscriptions have been sold is also evidence that the administration either can't or do not want to take action against botting. The only anti botting measures in game actually hurt the manual players and have not been changed despite years of requests.


Let do a thought experiment and dive into your ideal world. We will delete the pyromancer. Do as it never existed.

Top 50 without pyromancers
- 22 paladins
- 15 barbarians
- 5 shamans
- 3 warlocks
- 3 rogue
- 2 marksman

We now have 44% paladins and 30% barbarians for a total of 74% warriors in the top 50.

So now we buff the shaman a lot since the warlock gets 50% more exp than the shaman (In your post you said pyro does 3x shaman exp and 2x warlock exp from your post). We also buff the barbarian since you said paladin gets more experience per hour. So the number 2 and 3 have been buffed meaning the paladin as well as the bottom half got relatively worse. Is the game then well balanced and if not, what is the next step?

I will agree here with Godzilla, Pyros are stupidly over powered in terms of hunting and not just because they easily get +100% over the other vocations but due to how loot and things are on this server (a rare is 1/500 example from a dracolich and 1/500 from a lince ghost). (also AOE classes work better on lower monsters where the bestiary boosts are cheaper)

He already stated in his post he will be doing a live stream on the weekend and if I was someone who thinks the claims are false also please do stream your Paladin/Barbarian/Warlock/Shaman/Rogue or Marksman point of view and see if your EXP numbers are even 40% of what he does.

I've said in this thread a ton of times to even get close within 50% of a Pyro drastic changes would need to happen to the other vocations and the staff have dismissed that saying they would rather nerf pyros and STILL not be anywhere close to a balance.

as someone who played almost exclusively warlock and pyro, im fine with pyro nerfs... i always found it unfair that when i played my warlock, a similar level pyro had similar single target burst damage potential while the damage was AoE lol... the balance should lean toward the pyro having smaller hits on more targets and warlock having highest single target numbers... and when i say more single target burst, i dont mean like 5-10% more... lol

pyro levels just so much faster than other classes if played correctly ... its absurd

Youre very ignorant, i simply know more about this game and whats going on in this game than you do, ill be live on twitch this weekend and ill show you all none of my numbers lie. I suggest you do the same since you know so much better?



1, the highscores is an result of inactive staff for years, glad we can agree botting is an big issue, youre right about pyromacers being the only one able to compete a warriors 8hour+ botting experience in under 4 hours manual playing. The fact the bigger portion of the highscores are warriors is simply because of the botting issue. Nobody can do anything when someone spends 10hr a day botting, but is never afk. Meaning any alarm or action taken is quite dificult to determine someone uses a cavebot. Ofcourse its easy to know but for legal reasons you need to have some sort of evidence before permanently deleting someone account (and money they may have invested).

2, ive said that pyros make almost triple a shaman and more than double a warlock. With current "test server" changes paladins will be slightly better in terms of exp. This is not the case on live servers.

3, the highscores dont show amount of time played, amount of time skilled, amount of money invested, the fact you cant just load a script and be as efficient as a warrior who does load a script and just sits there 8 hours a day vs 8 hours of ranger/mage gameplay just to be able to compete is not really a reliable source of information. Theres 100% a very big gap in time played between warriors and all other classes. Botting usually is less experience an hour but that difference is minor. For that reason many people just bot a warrior for the hell of it and often dont even care. If mages or rangers were able to do that, the highscores would look a whole lot different.

Anyway, our discussion is useless since staff mentioned they dont want balancing at all so, dont worry haha.

@Godzilla
Then we have different benchmarks on which we won't agree. Yours is: comparing non-warriors with pyro. Mine is comparing everything with the botting warrior. Yes, the botting warrior does get less exp/h. Some find it therefore an irrelevant argument, but others can't ignore it since it's the reality we have and don't want to end up with paladins playing the level 500+ game and complaining about lack of high level content and everyone else the level 300 game and having enough content to exaggerate it.
The discussion doesn't add much indeed if the 1-2 major issues are not addressed.

@Miimixu
The droprate is true, but doesn't takes the value into account.

My pyro gets the best experience at Geltharian Dire Boars (+some Xyio dragons), Evil Legionaires and maybe Lizard Warriors.
My marksman gets most at Soul Devourer, Lince Ghost and Hellish Archangel.

The creature products of Lince Ghost and Hellish Archangel can be sold for 60k+ where as that's not the case for the products that pyromancers loot. The rares that they drop are also worth 2-4 times that of Geltharian Dire Boars and the loot of Evil Legionaires is simply non existent.
With Lizard Warriors the loot is worth more already to drop again with dark knight of which the creature products are not worth much.
Not to mention that if you hunt 4 hours a day 5 days a week as a pyro that you will no longer be able to sell the creature products for a good price due to the amount whereas as a non-pyro you have quite some good options.

I haven't kept track of what 4 hours worth of loot is for all the mentioned mobs though. So unfortunately we both lack exact numbers.

Feel free to share your exp/h my friends.
https://www.playzezenia.com/forum/thread/19785

Rangers
Add Ricochets for 2 targets (50%)
Reduce cooldown of Barbed Arrow to 10s
Double the Traps time on the ground to 12s maintain cooldown (18s)
Remove basic defense of ranged weapons (0.0) maintain basic defense of quivers

Mages
Increase damage of all single target spells (50%)
Increase damage of Cross of Annihilation and Hailstorm respectively 30% and 40%
Maintain damage of Inferno
Remove 10% mana shield from Fire Shield maintain 18% of negation

Warriors
Maintain cooldown of Cleave (3s) and increase damage (25%)
Increase damage of Shockwave (25%) and reduce cooldown to 3s
Increase back side damage of Rage of Fury (30%)
Create a new two handed weapon as reward of 4000 Challenge Points.
Reduce basic defense of two handed weapons (-25%)

CM Mercury, will the next changes be available in this week??????