First option:
Rage of Fury - Nowadays its side damage is around 70% and its back damage around 30%.
Maybe 100% (front damage), 100% (side damage) and 66% (back damage)

Second option:
Shockwave - +25% damage and 3s cooldown

Third option:
Shockwave - reduce cooldown to 3s, keep current damage
Rage of Fury - 100% (front damage), 75% (side damage) and 66% (back damage)

I have a proposal to increase the spell attacks of the rogues by 15 or 10% because I see that it increases the damage of other subclasses except the rogue

and finally, don't take it the wrong way, but what you said about the system between pvp and non-pvp doesn't make any sense since warlock is super op in pvp, increase the damage of all his attack combo spells by 10% you make the warlock have no rivals in pvp

Hi,

The paladin cleave did somewhat break the spell rotation, hence the reason for decreasing the cool down by 1 second and adjusting the spell damage.
Holy sword is a spell that works at distance, it still deals great damage and any time you have the option to use it you can go for it, it still has the 30s CD. This might be more use full in PVP.

Regarding the shield question, I'm not quite sure what you mean? Do you mean a shield should be more useful as barbarians lose close to nothing wearing a two handed weapon?




Hey Miimixu all constructive feedback is appreciated. The ones I deleted were just bashing the current changes. Since the idea of this TS and the current changes is to slightly lower the gaps for now, there is no need to bash the team for not doing all at once. We will adjust the current numbers according to the player feedback and changes will be made to the test server shortly for another round of testing.

Trying to balance all classes within a lets say 20% range is going to be hard and it's not a go to target for now. Ideally we would just like to slightly decrease the differences at this point.

The conversation is not shut down, I will still keep replying to you about changes but considering that edited post it's out of my hands.



Keep in mind these changes are PVM only, these changes will not affect PVP damage


-Mercury

I'm speaking about the idea that all shields except beginners' one should be only wearable by paladins (as 2h are only wearable by barbarians), and with some supplementary stats (whatever it could be) giving paladin a unique identity.

Ofc that supplementary stats could be used to help in balancing.

See eg here

(and forget about death knight is this thread, this is finally not the core of the subject

I guess we see my feedback or the way I write it in two different lights, I've played this game for a looong ass time and it's frustrating when nothing is happening or the changes needed to bring this type of game in to the 2020's are being pushed aside.

You guys have soo many tools you can use to mix things up, make things more fun and welcoming and they don't seem to be used to their full potential. You have a test server where you can test any changes you want and then we see +10% to spells.

It would be nice to know exactly what the staff want to achieve, the communication on these things just isn't there and thats not bashing or anything. Like what do you find a reasonable gap is between the classes and sub classes, then we can give feedback based on the vision of the staff. 'Cause it's obvious our definition of balance is not even close to each other.

If you want to go down the old school 2004 Tibia vibe, Paladin needs massive nerfs, Shamans needs nerfs in damage but more utility and healing power, Warlocks need more damage or even changed to dot based class and rangers need to be more focused on their auto attacks.

Like I said before it's hard to give feedback as we don't know what you want, if you want there to be stand out classes in terms of exp/h then the changes are good, if not then the current changes are not enough.

Nice idea Askja, if shields become exclusive to paladin, then a new 4k challenge points weapon must be added to the game.
Im pretty sure a lot of barbarians fans would rush in tasks to get the weapon!!!

And that would be very fair, since paladin would have axe of destruction as exclusive iten, and bushido helmet can be used by both warriors.

it would also be interesting to have a death knight axe... since the tarmell quest gives the sword to barbarians as well

Knowing that you are not going for complete balance, I will give a few suggestions.

All these changes are for PVE only.

1. Keep the recent nerfs to Pyro, I wouldn't like to see any more changes otherwise it will mess with PVP too much etc.
One nerf you could do to Pyro without hurting their damage etc is to make their spells only benefit 33% from all life steal.

2. Add your suggestion that ricochet can hit itself if no other monsters in X range, Make is bounce 2x. The first bounce 75% and the second bounce 50% (PVE only).

3. Add around 50% (Total from live) to Deathblow/Rock Thrust/Thunderbolt/Life Drain/Hailstorm/Soul Incinerator.

4. Because warlock is supposed to be more damage than shaman make Lasting Pain do 50% of the initial hit as a DOT over 4 seconds.

5. Make the 3 front and 2 sides do 100% damage on RoF, you could also lower the cooldown of Shockwave to 3s from 4.
If you wanted to go further or change things around a little you could have 2h weapons hit 3 targets, the main target for 100% and two other targets for 50% each.

6. For rogues I would like to see them more of a ranged auto bleed class, so things like barbed arrow could have reduced cooldown and maybe even their auto attacks could bleed the target for X% of their auto hit.

If you're going down this route though a lot of monsters need changing, the loot problem is due to a rare being (this is example numbers as I don't have access to them) 1/500 for a dracolich where the AOE classes kill a lot at a time, but also the "single target" monsters having their rares being 1/500 as well even though you kill them at a much slower rate.

If the idea is slightly lower the gaps then you need to increase at least in 50% these spells: Hailstorm, Thunderbolt, Rock Thrust, Soul Incinerator, Life Drain & Deathblow.
Buffing the damage 10% or 20% helps in almost nothing to reduce the gap.
There's only 1 maybe 2 shamans really active/getting levels on Elysium and the reason is easily understandable, although this subclass was concepted to be a support it's not needed in hunts because Paladins and Barbarians can hunt alone without worry to any problem like profit, damage and death by own difficulty of hunting place.
Increasing those spells in +50% is the minimum to do regarding to the gap which is kind like 120%~150% of difference in exp/h between of highest AOE subclass and lowest single target subclass.
While this high difference exists many shamans, rangers and warlocks will not be attracted to play or return to the game.

Marksman cd:
Spread Shot: 3s
Piercing Shot: 5s
Arrow Volley: 5s

Rogue cd:
Traps: 18s
Ruthless Execution: 20s
Barbed Arrow: 30s

Alternative: Traps 15s cd and Barbed Arrow 12s cd