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Silencerxz
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25th January 2023 16:46:54

Quoting Melecossauro Rex:
Quoting Robin Shoot:
Quoting Miimixu:

Have you noticed the top 3 are AOE classes? There is a reason for that, if you have AOE classes and Single target classes AOE will ALWAYS win.

Partly. I agree that AoE will beat single target damage in a normal environment. Hence the suggestion came in combination with a hunting environment where single target vocations would thrive more than normally.

If paladins wouldn't have cleave nor swipe and instead have their single target damage doubled they would still be king. When they bot 8 hours a day for 365 days a year you simply do not beat that. That's proven by the fact that they would already be gaining only half the experience of pyromancers, yet are represented twice as much in the top 50. Or with other words 4 times more often than you would expect.
In the long term balancing would only change how the remaining non warrior spots are divided in the highscores. Still a good thing to do.


"If paladins wouldn't have cleave nor swipe and instead have their single target damage doubled they would still be king. When they bot 8 hours a day for 365 days a year you simply do not beat that." The problem heres is that your taking the wrong as standard. You cant use botting as example, its forbidden and staff is doing a great job against it. Just think about the pyromancers that uses bot and rangers too, we all have seen those, even in live gameplay.

About the top 50 exp. Your looking at very old accounts. Pay attention to recent numbers, to whats happening now --> a level 700 pyro making bouble the exp of a level 900 paladin, unnaceptable.

The ranger problem is getting fixed, so i trully expect to see some rangers gaining more exp (hope your the one :)), but.... i remember back when Salutuj got level 500 on his old rogue without screaming at forum. Salutuj and Auronel <3.

Those MMORGP, like zz, tibia, pxg... theres no secret, want to level up? GO HUNT.


So stop crying about pyro making more exp you hipocrit and go exp on your full botted warrior. Its unacceptable that the same lvl warrior can make better exp than ranger which is really fragile and easy to be killed. I can give thousands of examples, that the warriors can easily and quite safe kill nice and attractive bosses while ranger and mages has problems or can easily die there. And still those warriors are making better exp than the 4 subclassses except of pyro, that while making better exp than warriors risk pretty often dead. And warriors? Making pretty good and safe exp while risking nothing.
@Staff there is a big interest conflict here, fully botted warriors want to bot safe in addition they want to make best exp in the game. Thats why there is so much cry from their site, ppl which play shamans, warlocks and rangers cry less than warriors thats full hypocrisy, which can cause a game fall very soon if You listen to those i@@@@ts
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25th January 2023 16:57:32 (Last edited 25th January 2023 16:59:00)

Quoting Tauros:
Extremely low player average even with the "updates", have you ever stopped to think that these updates have zero impact on the interest in the game? And that there should be better plans to encourage players to play..

Years of releasing small updates that do not impact the game, this has already proved to be irrelevant.
It should have a big update, add 2 new cities, 4 hardcore portals, a difficult quest that requires 15 players 600+ to accomplish, 4 to 5 new respaws... What is released, players play for a few days and it's back to old routine.

@Administration


I'm sorry but you countered your own point, making the BASE game will make more people come and stay, adding hunting grounds for level 600 and HC hunting areas does NOTHING to attract new players, people make their minds up way before even reaching level 100 never mind 600.

The introduction to the game needs to be far better, the lower level hunting grounds need to be more enjoyable and so does the classes and class balance. The task system needs to be reworked and the way you get some of the "noob" items needs to be made easier.

There needs to be more staff and more interaction with the community through the forums, discord and in-game. In the end you need someone who actually gives a shit about where the game is going and the community you wish to build.
Lotis Efiro
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25th January 2023 17:14:14 (Last edited 25th January 2023 17:14:50)

Better something than nothing. The ricochet wont help in solo Hunts. As a ranger i cannot stand 2 high lvl monsters without constat healing. In terms of survivality we are too fragile. I would say that are some miror changes.
Fox Taime
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25th January 2023 17:48:29

Quoting Miimixu:

The ranger Ricochet will only be good once you have super high distance and on lower level monsters, currently you would run 1 monster at a time to limit the amount of healing needed so you can auto and spam your 1 second spell, if you put another monster in to this mix and it increases the amount of globals you need to use on healing this will actually result in a damage nerf.


Quoting Lotis Efiro:
Better something than nothing. The ricochet wont help in solo Hunts. As a ranger i cannot stand 2 high lvl monsters without constat healing. In terms of survivality we are too fragile. I would say that are some miror changes.


It's quite simple solve that. Just bring back Blood Theft spell aka ranger's old hp steal spell or change function of Meditation spell to also hp steal.
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25th January 2023 19:26:42

Quoting Disturbed Maverick:
Quoting Miimixu:

The ranger Ricochet will only be good once you have super high distance and on lower level monsters, currently you would run 1 monster at a time to limit the amount of healing needed so you can auto and spam your 1 second spell, if you put another monster in to this mix and it increases the amount of globals you need to use on healing this will actually result in a damage nerf.


Quoting Lotis Efiro:
Better something than nothing. The ricochet wont help in solo Hunts. As a ranger i cannot stand 2 high lvl monsters without constat healing. In terms of survivality we are too fragile. I would say that are some miror changes.


It's quite simple solve that. Just bring back Blood Theft spell aka ranger's old hp steal spell or change function of Meditation spell to also hp steal.



maybe this spell and a life steal set will help that question?
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25th January 2023 22:28:22

The problem is that you want to hunt solo, with any and all classes, and you want everyone to make similar exp/hour! In mmorpg this does not exist, sorry to inform you! We should have bonuses for hunting with warrior / mage /ranger in the party, unfortunately the game has not created this! Toxic community / hypocrite! This game will die soon! No regrets for stopping in 2022!;)
Silencerxz
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25th January 2023 23:13:12 (Last edited 25th January 2023 23:54:15)

@Ivald
100% agree, people dont understand that each class has its own purpose, and in every mmorpg there are classes that exp faster, have more survivability (tanking/blocking), boost and heal party, hunt aoe style, kill with ease bosses or have special pvp abilities.
On top of that maximum of hypocrisy, and we have what we have.
@test server
The changes are almost good.
Almost, because some really important issues were forgotten.

1 In my opinion warlock is almost perfect now. To mark his position, he should have little more dmg from deathblow in comparison to shaman rock, but anyway making cross 2 s is creating an ability to make really nice 4s combo, playing solo or at team hunts. I've played a warlock on Everest and really enjoy it, but now when Ive tried it on test server, I really regret I havent stayed on warlock. The solo combo at lvl 400 with 85 mlvl is deathblow 2140, cross 1140 (with talent), 940 life drain and another 1140 from cross. With 2 times cross in 4 seconds, its really possible to try group some monsters. The combo with blocker that for example block 5 is 2 x cross 1140 and 2 x soul fire with talent around 550-600 which for existing spots is enough to "close" the resp.
In terms of mmorpg, I would suggest that + 5 max talents should be changed at warlock... nobody use brewing for God sake, so the weapon, if its working, can stay at wrl, but the brewing should been changed for example for magic resist - it even looks cool, a mighty warlock has some extra magic resist xD

2 Shaman received spell buff's like warlock, 10%. It's not much, but still shaman is a supporter, with pala/barb he can make really nice team so I would focus here on more survivability, because this shaman buff is a joke. I would change 5% dmg negation to even 12%, and maybe instead of slowing enemy blizzard special talent could give effect similiar to meteor shower.
Same as wrl, + 5 max should been changed, from spirituality (nobody uses it till 500 i think... but for sure I havent used it till 350) and in terms of mmorpg it should be healing for example.

3 Both Rangers received same buff's. Some of them enjoy new things, some of them not. I just want to point, that marksman is way better than rogue in many aspects, so why there is no change's in spell's for rogue? Marksman in a teamhunt with blocker that can handle 5 monsters now can cast all the time aoe spells + ricochets make him a machine close to pyro or warlock. And Rogue? He can cast a trap on the chest which dont deal a great amount of dmg and hellish volley every 3 sec... So thats why in a team hunt there were no rogues but only marksmans. Even now, before the changes marksman can make 4 aoe spells in 5 seconds to the chest, so anyway this window of 1 spell is often used for heal. Even ricochets work better with marksman because of being affectd by critical hit, but not for a multistrike...

4 Idk why paladin is being improved, while barb remains the same. Paladin can block way better in early levels till 400, and now in addition to that he can attack almost the same good. I really dont get it...

5 I am really dissappointed that pyro receive a nerf, because that class is really good in terms of mmorpg: as game states, the ease of use is only 1,5 star ( everybody agree with that... ohh stop probably some nasty paladins claim that they are the hardest subclass in the game :D ) but if player will learn how to use it, the prize will be making high but risky experience in certain spots.

Like I stated at beggining, if it stays like this, its ALMOST good.
Anyway, its nice to see active Staff!
Be wise with your decisions!

Yours
Former shaman, warlock,
Top rogue Everest
:D
Ragnarok Black
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26th January 2023 03:28:50

I know I'm not welcome by some people
by my history that some were invented and others were not
but hey what can be done
Silencerxz
I share your idea that they improve the rogue since it has a great time abandoned not only in the spells and in making experience also in the sets since there is only a set for marksman that is based on the critical, while the rogue is based on the survival and annihilating his enemies quickly which is = attack speed as well as the spell that he has that I don't remember what it's called that increases his attack speed

to improve the rogue trap it would be great if it broke the armor of the monsters 100% for 10s and the player 25% for 10s since they fell into a trap and if the improvement for ice trap would also break the armor 100% for 15s and the player 30% for 10s and they could also add poison to the ice trap that would be super cool and the rogue a little more attractive
Fuzzy
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26th January 2023 12:40:52

@CM Mercury There's any chance to our feedbacks result in new balancing changes on this TS? This thread received a lot of feedbacks so we hope to test anything new from those feedbacks in next days before the update be implemented... 8)
CM Mercury
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26th January 2023 13:23:29

Quoting Fuzzy:
@CM Mercury There's any chance to our feedbacks result in new balancing changes on this TS? This thread received a lot of feedbacks so we hope to test anything new from those feedbacks in next days before the update be implemented... 8)

Hi,

Currently drafting a memo of all the feedback for the dev team. I will reply to this thread today and let you all know what is happening and what kind of thoughts we have based on the feedback.

ps. A lot of good conversation and feedback from all of you!

:^)

-Mercury
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