You both are keeping mages up high, since you dont need those lifesteal items.
There is no way a ranger would put lifesteal over damage. so a ranger will not use those "gears" to gain full lifesteal.

Especially if you hunt with a tank, which is needed in most cases with the OP monsters and ranger barely do dmg to them.
if i take tons of lifesteal, i lose so much dmg. If the rings are 5% those are the only items a ranger would have to change in trade for dmg. which is not bad as you barely lose dmg on the rings if theyre at 5%.

As it is now, we would have to trade our only defending gear, in order to match that lifesteal.
A warrior wont downgrade its defence becuase that 3% lifesteal is not worth the extra dmg you take for taking less defending.

So at the end, it only benefits mages EVEN more. Thats the whole reason you guys go against it because 3% is Enough for mages to make them even more overpowered as they already heal full hp in 1 heal most of the times. For warrior and rangers, thats not the case.

I dont know what you guys keep on about as baltas already explained that the rings are not worth it at 3% and no other class will trade the defending items in for the extra lifesteal to keep up.

We can keep on discussing about this, but baltas should have made another math post about changing items for defending to lifesteal, and see how much you would actually take and how much healings you take with the lifesteal and see if you can "cover" it up.

Which i think, according to baltas his math and the new monsters their dmg, its not worth for warrior neither.
5% will just be enough to make it worth.

I think rather than getting in to a mass argument we should just leave it at that.
K-Z hardy ever reiterates systems anyway, you can see that by the Talents/Brewing/Class balance/Monster balance etc..

What's in the test server now will be in the update, at least it will give some people something to look forwards to.

Warriors benefits from life steal more than warlocks/shamans. If someone says warrior wont give up their +2melee rings for 4 defending+ 3% life steal. Then there can be no discussion.

High lvl Warrior hits probably 4 monsters on average with desolation and sometimes more. So 200lvl paladin desolating makes 1k dmg per turn. If he saves at least 1 heal per 40 turns, then he can add desolation and he will be able to make better exp/h with that ring than with melee ring. Warrior obviously gonna care about +4defending. And he will life steal 30dmg from deso and lets say 15 from melee hit. So 45dmg per turn (have in mind u can deso more often than once every 1 5sec). So in 40 turns its 2k hp. No warrior can heal anything close to that so it will always be worth to use 4defending + 3% life steal ring over +2melee ring.

About me proving its not worth to use this ring over enchanted precision ring. I didnt prove that. I made estimated math and left 4defending hanging. So u totaly ignore the fact that getting extra 1k exp/h will make u lose 4defending. And loosing 4 defending might make u heal a little more. And your exp/h would maybe go down.

Ok you're right about everything your math was spot on and sorry for speaking our of turn.
You won. Rangers/Warriors will be the best classes ever after this update thank you.

I never said rangers warrior will be better. I just don't agree that they are shit

I said they where worse than mages, I think that still stands.

Watch out the power houses of Zezenia are here!

This will be the set I will get most likely for end game....

Everyone knows Deaths have insane defending but why does it botter you so much? Mages can damage deaths, but no one is killing them anyway cuz of their terrible exp. Its a monster which I run through when i see and u run through the u see it. So it doesnt matter too much.

Ofc it doesnt give u anything positive that u cannot damage deaths, but I dont think mages gain something big that they can damage it. Maybe if deaths could paralyze, then it would be a monster where u always need a warrior and mage to kill it. As right now vocations are not very depended one from another. Warrior doesnt really need shooters, shooters doesnt really need blockers. Just in few places tho.

You wont change your armor, legs and gauntlets?