I feel like these items should be as they first were on the ptr. Why you may ask? well here is my opinion on those new items/secondary.

I see those new items that is gonna be added to the game is more for the higher levels to strive for, to actually be able to get better gear/optimize/create some kind of builds with those secondarys in varius situations.

And also keep in mind that you are handed these items on the ptr for free and saying its so op bla bla bla. Well you are given all those items for free dont you?

Ofc its gonna be "easy", but when the actually update hits live... i think its gonna take a very long time before even someone has full gear with secondary etc since the items drops with random secondary everytime and hopefully has a low drop rate.

Those items won't be cheap on the market either, it's probably gonna be the most expensive items in the game. I only can see positive thing about this, first of all it is more content to the end-game and that's great yeah?

I could ramble about this even more, but i don't wanna kill your eyes lol. I hope you get the idea im trying to tell you.

- Enabled PVM death loss on all game worlds (blessing / item loss still disabled for PVM deaths on all worlds).


im sure a lot of people enjoy the excitement of the deathl loss, but im sure a lot of people dont, can we have a server without death penalty and maybe x5 or something xp and skills, for those who just enjoy some grinding and fooling around, for the very casual player? would be awesome, as and grown up time and effort are stuff i dont wanna lose for a lag or some1 call me and need to go afk suddenly, maybe this server could be premy only? you need to have an active p card to play on it?, would be awesome something like that, thank you!!!!

If it will be the most expensive items in market, it will mean it wont be rares. (If u talk about market in ellaria dp, not economics term "market".
Cuz the best items are not getting sold. Bliaroth~ is out there for a year or two. How many times u saw flame sceptre or hellish crossbow in market? I didnt.

Ofc thewe items will be rare and it will take long till someome gets it. But i consider the time and balance when someone gets it. I am trying to make sure that that guy who gets wont get overpowered. It ruins the balance. If everyone have it, then its balanced, but these items cant be and shoulsnt be available for everyone.

Some of this new "content" is going to be dead on release cause of it not being a upgrade for the higher levels and probably too hard for a low level to acquire.

There has to be a reason to go out and grind items to get the secondary stat you want, from what I've seen there is 3 stat up to now. with how low the drop chances are on zezenia it could take days/weeks to get the item with the desired secondary stat, that's something some people won't do for 2-3% hp steal.

If the update comes out and my opinion changes then thats great but from what I've seen the only content this update brings has now been made close to useless.

I dont think anyone loves to lose exp/skills and spent time when dieing. But the reason why i support death loss is that making death loss disabled makes the gane a lot easier. And honestly zezenia is so much easier now than it was before. Monsters yeld more exp than before, spawns are better, training system is terrible and requires no efforts, potions makes it easier to hunt, talents made it easier to hunt, loot items, boss items are looted or given away why Leovald every day, and now people suicide to get to temple, loses nothing when they die, people stay semi afk when hunting due to bots (thanks for quillion that he makes botters at least considering when they take a smoke to logout, because they could not come to screen on time and get banned).

When someone makes it easier to play, it gets hard to come back. I mean right now i play a little bit of Pharos. We lose exp if we die pvm. But i can still pay it. Lvl 250 dies and pays 100k. U know what, when i used to die on my 240 warlock i was loosing 8h of hunt time, not 100k (p.s. my balance on that 240lvl is more than 15kk. Which actually is oretty easy to get nowadays).
All these tasks, bots etc made cash flow into the game. Which raised p card price. Back in the days there was no way to get super head start by donating 5 follars. Right now with 5 dollars u can get decent gear. Cuz botters get some money and they will pay insane ingame money for your .18usd worth card. Not sure when u started playing, but when i started, premium cards were 100gp each. So as a new mage u could donate 5dollars and buy 400mana vials. Now for 5 dollars you will get 20,000 vials in Pharos~ (4 months old server).

All this came from making game easier. So a little step back to harder side wont kill the game, dont you agree?

Opinion is a strong thing and sometimes its impossible to change it. I respect that.
But if it will take days/weeks to loot 3% life steal or magic resistance item. I am sure every active h lvl will give away galiantors hunt to get these.

And how much is +4 attack to your damage and specially exp/h?

Same goes for 1 def or 24 average healing, but you forget these will be best def rings in the game + 24 average healing.

But that still is not much at all even if ranger gets +8 more def + life steal % but like Kz said same items can drop with differing secondary stats. So would you abandon your +4 dist for +8 more def + 6% mag resist for example? I know i would.

And you talk about high monsters hitting and def matters well u can make some warrior test it out, the higher the monster hits the less difference your gear def matters, Sorahp gets hit 1k by Unholy, tell him to go try again and replace his shield with wooden shield and see whats the difference. You will see none and thats pretty many def points from wooden shield to whatever he is wearing.

I can only say what I'm going to do and I won't be grinding for weeks for that little of a upgrade, if I get it then I may wear the legs or helmet.



On justin we "seen" never wrote all the number down, about a 30 difference in crits with the rings.
Would the 6% life steal/magic resist be enough to cover a 30 damage increase in terms of damage taken I doubt it would do much to help he would still have to heal, so I would assume it's a exp/h downgrade but that can only be proven when it goes live and it's tested.

He(sorahp) noticed quite a difference in terms of rings when he changed to 2 demonic rings, so I would say it does make a difference otherwise defense would be broken and K-Z would have to take a look at it.

Yes i remember when he said 2 rings make difference and that was false, he just got lucky with hits.

He said he got hit 1k with melee rings and never 1k after demonic rings which appeared to be false after next hunt when he was taking basically the same dmg.

Ive told you and many other people how the defense works and its just a simple script line which has been made complicated over the years and makes no sense.

Same as going to take hits from a melket with 10 defense no gear and 150 defense no gear, ull receive the same dmg.

Also you say 30 dmg in crits which is so bad to test out cuz crit is broken as well.

But as soon as i get home ill come and put some statistics about +4 difference in distance dmg and blocking an unholy dmg. Just to back up what im saying.

I just done a 20 minute test in Dragons to see what my max hit is (not a crit) and without rings and a longbow I hit 336, with the rings and a longbow the max I was able to hit was 358 which is a 22 damage increase, I never tested with different bows to see if that has an effect of the final numbers. (I done 10 minutes with and 10 minutes without).

If that's the case 1 ring is able to add 11 damage or 10 health, I know which one has more value to me but I guess that's subjective.