Can one of you please tell me how yesterday after multiple reports Belgra was banned for Macroing, and a few days earlier Goml was banned for killing him for macroing... But too my point, i check today and Belgra was unbanned for whatever reason and Goml is still banned, are the GM's favoring players now or what's the deal? someone please clear this bullshit up for me.

Thread about Belgras banishment.

yes and in this Thread GM Bag stated this : You can't really prove me that you weren't multi-playing, since this wasn't the first time you two were online with the same IP, and again you didn't got banned for using an illegal tool, but multi-playing. Lets also keep in mind that you were away from keyboard attacking dark monks as well.
lets not overlook the part : Lets also keep in mind that you were away from keyboard attacking dark monks as well.

So, taking from this post that it is fine to multi client and afk macro killing things, but not ok to abuse a bug? Awesome....

I think that 95% of Elysium's Population will say i'm a well-known kind player who helps everyone i can and should have just been a warning rather then an instant ban sense i was doing it in the case of keeping Zezenia a better place and keeping the macroers away.

Lets also keep in mind that you were away from keyboard attacking dark monks as well.

That being said by a GM yet the ban was reversed??? hmmmmm He must be friends with someone high up.

Bagunceiro
Game Master

Platon
Level 1
Ranger
1 day 10 hours ago

Quoting Netdig:

Quoting Bagunceiro:


That is the risk players get for us not having and anti-idle system, neither You (Belgra) or Nandin answered me. so my conclusion is that you were multi-playing.


Zezenia don't have an anti-idle system, it's not illegal to go AFK and why it's MY risk? Because I was AFK and there's no anti-idle system I'm multi-playing? There's no reason for a multi-playing conclusion. I do not understand your conclusion.


You can't really prove me that you weren't multi-playing, since this wasn't the first time you two were online with the same IP, and again you didn't got banned for using an illegal tool, but multi-playing. Lets also keep in mind that you were away from keyboard attacking dark monks as well.

He was not banned for macroing at all, but for supposedly multi playing. I am saying supposedly because GM Bagunceiro had reasons to believe that was the case, but after closer inspection and talking with Bagunceiro, we both agreed that the reasons for his banishment were not enough to justify it. My apology to him for the inconvenience.

Also, Goml was banned because he abused a bug to kill a cheater, since he instantly pledged he was guilty, and us respecting what he was trying to do, the banishment was halved, but under no circumstance will we allow bug abusers to go free.

Don't people ever get tired with their false corruption claims? Whenever something is not to one's liking, somebody is either corrupt, somebody else is a GM friend or other made up stuff. I have investigated that guy myself because no GM was available and if I came online 10 minutes earlier when he was still afk macroing he would be banned already and nobody would say a thing. Nobody of the staff even knows this guy, and on the other hand, there are various "staff friends" with more than 3 bans already. Also, is targetting a monster and then leaving the screen illegal? I guess not, so whatever came to your mind there, being away while attacking a monster without switching target is perfectly possible and not illegal at all.

The thing that makes this awkward situation hilariously dumb is that GMs have to rely on proof. I for example know that the guy macroed, I'd bet on it, the way of the reports, the story, the answers by himself (who when I spoke to him didn't even know what killed him when reporting Goml, while he was attacking ents -> how can he attack ents without looking on the screen, thus knowing that Goml killed him with satyrs? This makes me know he macroed, but without being there and seeing he did, nobody can do anything) and all players, all tells me that he is a macroer. I can't ban him for just knowing if I can't prove it because I haven't seen him, and so far, neither me nor the people responsible for banning do have valid evidence. If we start banning without evidence you can wait 10 days until the forum is full of "WHY BANNED? OMG WTF STAFF SUX". Now claiming that this guy is friends with anybody is just absurd, sorry.

The only one I really feel with here is Goml, because he obviously did bug abuse but then again not to his personal advantage but to a cheater's disadvantage, and the only reason why he got banned is because the way his frag looked is not possible on Elysium without doing a bug abuse. One thing you can be sure about though, I've talked a lot to Bagunceiro about Gomls banishment and this guy, and how, despite everything being 100% legit and all Bagunceiro did was legitly doing what a GM has to do, it looks fairly ridiculous now, and he assured that he will be heavily investigating this guy because he is well aware that despite him only doing his GM job the way he should, it's a rather questionable situation at all, especially to the public of which some don't even know what a GM actually has to do before banning somebody. You can be sure that Bagunceiro does not like this situation at all either and will do everything to make sure the guy gets banned if he is caught macroing.

Hyuga sorry i tossed that in there i do not believe that he knows someone but i do believe it finally got some response to this thread.

I can fully understand if people are pissed, just like in real life, even here, law is not necessarily always justice (sadly, although unlike in real life, here, no GM can really be blamed for it, Bagunceiro just acted the way he is supposed to), and if I was in Goml's position, I would probably be angry too, so I can understand it as well as people being angry that the guy who they know is cheating is not banned yet, but it's always better to post without any accusations, we are just like you are human beings who can see, read, respond, act nicely with respect, especially if people show respect towards us as well. As said, if the guy keeps macroing, he will end up banned. Bagunceiro is a very assidious GM and will personally want to show the community as well that he does not want people to get away.