@mimimi
I dont use any kind of streams etc.
I ve pointed to the community you are constantly liar.
Firstly, writing without any test s*** that shaman is making like wrl 17-18kk/h (so it was 8,5/9 on x 1). <--- it doesnt need any comment

If no one note that, you would be still claiming its true. Now you are claiming, that while having 12kk/h on boulder the resp couldnt take it lol :D anyone that was hunting there at least two times at his life (hunt, not bot) know the capacity of boulder is much, much higher.
you re going against the truth all the time, so the community and the Staff shouldnt listen to ppl like you

111:4 = 27 kk/h, while having all bot on yourself that keep ur mana and cast spells its still impressive
Ppl playing there with their hands are having +- 20

Hc DK and Hc devil are the only spots where pyro is such outstanding.
Delete those spots, or at least delete half trash monsters from there, because by nerving pyro because of that two spots, you are making him really weak on other spots, where he is killing monsters max by 2, for example pyro level 350 on unholy dreadlord will have huge problem after your nervs - so little damage while keeping them at range, and if decide to go closer nerv on fire shield will do the rest. because of two spawns you decide to nerv class - awesome
Still, I would rather do like 15 while full save on mighty werebears, than 20 on hc dk risking all the time.

Paladin and barb should be nerved in way of not being able to stand with 5 + high end monsters while attacking every 2-3 sec, so shaman would be needed in that game as in every other game like this where healer is needed for blocker :)
And now, holy lol, not demanding play style of barbarian and paladin, which even child could easily learn, = take 5 mobs, go to the wall, use control and arrow to turn around in good way, use for a change 2 hot keys while using mana jar/flask sometimes. That silly gamestyle will be almost the same effective + with minimal risk of losing 1 or more h playing by death like a really demanding pyromancer playstyle.
Bravo Staff :D

Ps. While MOST of manually played pyromancer make there 20kk, and a pala/ barb on mighty werebears make 15-17, the pyro lose more than 45 coins (counted without enraged on dk and nocturne, only exp on evil eye) to boost all hc dk, while on mighty magician its only 24 coins :) And you still wanted to make bigger waste for pyro lol :D

You should not even speak about numbers if you cant back it up. Pyromacers who lose money on hunting? Hahahahaha.

Are you hunting pyromancer like a shaman/warlock? Are you even hitting ur inferno? You do know you can take some damage right? You wont die in 1 hit.

I hope miimii will livestream a warlock outkilling boulders and make you look like a fool aswell... again... no wonder staff actually uses the info i provide, since i actually show them something. You just make accusations, your math is also wrong as fuck.. 111:4=27.75 not 27.
All you do is constant lie about everything you dont agree with. Do you think my livestream is edited aswell?

-Godzilla

I will do a live stream to show you yet again you have no idea what you're talking about.
I outkill it and the test server has massive lags.

EDIT: can you fix the lags on the test it seems like you're running in from your home computer

The capacity of boulder isnt "much, much higher", thats just bulls. They have to make the spawn bigger or change the respawn rate. The numbers you made up about you testing boulders seems not right, got any proof of that?

Seems like youre the one talking shit about anyone that has any critism about your class. The pyro is OP as it is now, so the nerf was needed. Its still above all other classes but a bit more squishy, as it should be.

Also you dont come with any proof of your statements. Anyone that tells something else than whats right in your eyes, you tell em theyre liars/botters/share account/talking trash. I think its better staff dont listen to you because youre toxic as hell, and seems like theres no way for you to argue normally.

I don't know but I think the nerf they did to the pyro shouldn't affect the pvp
I am not against nerfing the pyro in the PvE system but I am against nerfing it in the pvp system

My main concern will always remain that there's a lot of cavebotting with little being done to it and all anti botting systems only hurting the manual players. It doesn't matter either you nerf warriors by 25%, buff pyromancers by 25% or a shaman by 100%. As long as people can cavebot many hours a day every single day the balancing doesn't matter much.
Vast majority of the highscores as well as the current player base is still warrior, and especially paladin, for a reason. Not because they are the most fun class to play or that they are OP exp/h wise. It's because they are the easiest to bot. Seen numbers of pyromancer making twice the exp of everyone else yet they are not dominating any highscore or exp per week list on live nor the seasonal server.
Which leaves three options:
1) pyromancer sucks at low level
2) pyromancer sucks at high level
3) cave botting outperforms pyromancer by a lot

Everyone knows it's 3.


@Miimixu and @Briareu
During this entire thread I spoke about the changes in general. I did not state a single time either the changes were good or bad. Only that it's weird that changes are made without the staff actually testing it themselves.
Nor do I care that much about pyromancers. I just came back from a year of not playing and next month I will probably be on a long break/quit again. Previous thread my buff suggestions were towards rangers, shaman and warlock.

Nor did I trash talked anyone. I only said that people claim different numbers when watching the same video. If different people test the same voc and spawn you will end up people claiming completely different numbers.


@Godzilla
Watched more of the stream and saw now that it was indeed 114M/h till the last 10 minutes or so. Prior I skimmed through the first half and last few minutes and saw little to no chats.
I like most of the discussion we had though :)

+1 agree about that. Dont change the pyro dmg in PVP




Also agree that cavebotting is a big issue, it ruins the game. They should check it more actively.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1729145732

Just posting this here to show I outkill boulders on a 500 warlock

Nice mutual admiration u have here 4900 bot subscriptions boys

You have proven nothing since started on 1:30 while having almost killed 4 boulders and u finished 7:30 - they should be there or ur mutual admiration friend lure them out

I wont waste more time for you "mr stop running boulder thrower professionalist" because while I am writing this here and beenwhile doing nothing, youre responding while 1 or 2 of your 4900 subscribed bots are running.
The forum like the game is dead, and the little rest is filled with toxic mr "i know all and i am the best " and your "balancing" advices will only keep it that way or make it even "more dead".

The only way to eventually make things better is to inform directly Staff via mail, but for sure you do it all the day xD, probably from several shared accounts, so it wont change anything

At the end, ignoring you, about the coming balancing changes: every improve made on shaman, warlock and rangers is a step in a good way. On the other hand, while I can understand buff of dmg on barb, change on pala is a step back. But if You say its needed for rotation... well... the manual players that I know and they play pala thinks opposite. The best thing Staff could do for the game is to nerf pala and barb tankiness roughly by 50%, which about I will write an e mails with explanation and examples, otherwise 90% of population will be warriors, which still will cry that its so hard to play a warrior...

Funny to see Terror Soul (mr knows it al better) is making alot of random accusations.