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Sorutz
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5th February 2023 09:03:55

Guys i think we need to be honest with the game...

I am Pyromancer, i can say that pyro with high lvl was to OP, I belive that the second test server changes are realy good.

I hope they kep all the changes... So ty Staff realy good JOB
Terror Soul
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5th February 2023 09:14:41

Quoting Miimixu:
After quite a lot of testing today (around 5 hours), I've got some feedback and some numbers on Warlock.

Level 500, magic level 83.
Noble amulet, armor, legs, gauntlets, bracers, 2x noble ring, sinister eyes, devilish eyes and tukinouu.

Both are with EXP scroll and stamina.

I tried Boulder throwers, with full boost.
I capped at 12.5kk/h (1x exp as the test no longer has the event) but this was due to the spawn not being able to keep up.

I then tried Hardcore DKs, with full boost on Draco, Raging curse, Evil eye, Nocturne and Dark Knight.
I capped at around 14kk/h. This spawn is really risky even once you have the hang of it.

That with the fact the play style is super interactive and enjoyable I think warlocks are in a good spot between Barbarians and Paladin. One good addition would be to make whirlwind a little wider so you can be a wave type class.


Spawn on boulder throwers wasnt able to keep up? What the f are you talking about?... obviously the same thrash like godzila. Boulder thrower spawn is able to keep 2 x 450 shooters but not 1 warlock? Man leave and close he door. Ive tested the spawn aswell with 500 warlock, 84 mlvl, debuff and exp, full eq. I still was rusty, because havent played warlock for some time and it was hard for me to get used to change the combo style: deathblow cross life drain cross. I was making 14,5kk/h and still sometimes i missed the second cross or something. If played correctly + some elites spawn, it can go easily 16 or more there.
Conclusion is that when it goes to pyro mimi and godzi are adding some extra kk/h to make more drama, but If its go to other voc they are lowering the exp they made. Masters of lies or close friends to Staff. And no godzila, you re playstyle is not good, u use arrows on keyboard only,the rest is fully automatized, confirmed info. Go and sell next of your +-4789 bot subscriptions.
Terror Soul
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5th February 2023 09:20:37 (Last edited 5th February 2023 09:25:32)

Quoting Sorutz:
Guys i think we need to be honest with the game...

I am Pyromancer, i can say that pyro with high lvl was to OP, I belive that the second test server changes are realy good.

I hope they kep all the changes... So ty Staff realy good JOB


Man you changed pyro long time ago and stop exp on pyro, for sure you play on warrior and talking trash now. Go and share account with belzebot aka Bloody butcher old hakuna matata member which had passwords to every character there so he could have logged any character on every boss at the game kkk nerf paladin and barbarian less bots then kkkk nerf them all so they cant black and kill easily 5 x mighty werebears, maybe shaman will be needed in game then kkk
Sonnema
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5th February 2023 10:19:35 (Last edited 5th February 2023 10:21:55)

Quoting Robin Shoot:
The numbers posted about Godzilla's stream is an example of that it's dangerous to only look to the numbers here and testing has to be done by the staff as well.
"Peaked at 116M/h" and "averaged at 114M/h" while the final number at the experience counter, which is the actual average exp, shows 111M/h. In this case the difference is small (5%), but could be different with other tests since many factors can cause more variations: less consistent hunts, spawns that break, having the luck of quite some elites at the start or zones where you can't run a proper 'circle' or not mentioning boosts (fully boosted or only 1-2 of the boosts)/scrolls/exp pots/stamina.

The not being internally tested also encourages bold claims. One can better suggest a 30-50% buff/nerf to something than saying, "hey, if this is buffed by 5 or 10% that might be ideal."
I hope that the staff has an actual exp/h list of all vocations at level 100, 250 and 500 where they also tried multiple spots. If not, based on what are these HUGE changes being applied? Solely what lobbyists yell out on the forum.
Buffs of 50%, Rage of fury buffs of 25% when not in front, having the soft cap of advanced soul fire for pyromancers be 40% lower while saying no more damage changes were done, 33% life steal reduction + fire shield nerf.

You can clearly see that i avg 114kk, whenever i type or reply to someone it drops a little bit. At the end i even told Ritari i was slacking a little but since i proved my point, what does that even matter. When i fully invest on my boost and talk to people on discord i dont stop hunting for 2 hours, meaning i avg on the higher end instead of the 111kk at the end of my stream.

Note, i use all exp boosts possible. Every mob is full boosted, scroll, potions, stamina. This should he 100% included in consideration since its for everyone to use.

Nonetheless, i was not talking shit and even if you take 111kk(which was my minimum) as a reference, its still double the xp of the majority of classes.

Whats mind-blowing to me is those other pyros still show a peanut brain capacity while I show them hard proof:smartass:

Go livestream ur hunt and prove me im wrong. Jealousy is maaaaad.
Robin Shoot
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5th February 2023 11:21:33 (Last edited 5th February 2023 11:22:00)

@Godzilla
You missed the entire point of my post. My point was that even when people watch the same video different numbers come up (in this case with only a 5% difference). Let alone when there's no video and thus more unknowns making most numbers on the forum not very reliable. Hence staff members should test changes themselves as well rather than solely relying on what's posted here.

It is just mind boggling that the staff may be applying huge changes (both buffs and nerfs) without testing it themselves.

Would surprise me if people here would actually say: "nah, those who make the changes shouldn't test anything themselves."
Sonnema
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5th February 2023 11:57:42

Quoting Robin Shoot:
@Godzilla
You missed the entire point of my post. My point was that even when people watch the same video different numbers come up (in this case with only a 5% difference). Let alone when there's no video and thus more unknowns making most numbers on the forum not very reliable. Hence staff members should test changes themselves as well rather than solely relying on what's posted here.

It is just mind boggling that the staff may be applying huge changes (both buffs and nerfs) without testing it themselves.

Would surprise me if people here would actually say: "nah, those who make the changes shouldn't test anything themselves."

Well, to my knowing none of the staff members actually play the game besides troll about on paladins or afk train 24/7. <- no offense.

Its hard to balance anything you know little about. Thats why im so hard on my statements as i dont see myself in any other posts about pyromancers.

But I agree, in the past its happened alot where they did not test anything and just released it. I'd hate to see if thats still the case as theyre using alot of the community their time to gain data.

Eveybody plays different and for different reasons, but for obvious reasons its safe to say you balance certain things based on their maximum capacity (like exp/hr). Because everyone, especially in competative play, people aim for the best results. This whole game is progression based, why wouldnt you aim for the best results.

-godzilla
Titanium Legs
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5th February 2023 13:09:06

Quoting Godzilla:
Quoting Robin Shoot:
The numbers posted about Godzilla's stream is an example of that it's dangerous to only look to the numbers here and testing has to be done by the staff as well.
"Peaked at 116M/h" and "averaged at 114M/h" while the final number at the experience counter, which is the actual average exp, shows 111M/h. In this case the difference is small (5%), but could be different with other tests since many factors can cause more variations: less consistent hunts, spawns that break, having the luck of quite some elites at the start or zones where you can't run a proper 'circle' or not mentioning boosts (fully boosted or only 1-2 of the boosts)/scrolls/exp pots/stamina.

The not being internally tested also encourages bold claims. One can better suggest a 30-50% buff/nerf to something than saying, "hey, if this is buffed by 5 or 10% that might be ideal."
I hope that the staff has an actual exp/h list of all vocations at level 100, 250 and 500 where they also tried multiple spots. If not, based on what are these HUGE changes being applied? Solely what lobbyists yell out on the forum.
Buffs of 50%, Rage of fury buffs of 25% when not in front, having the soft cap of advanced soul fire for pyromancers be 40% lower while saying no more damage changes were done, 33% life steal reduction + fire shield nerf.

You can clearly see that i avg 114kk, whenever i type or reply to someone it drops a little bit. At the end i even told Ritari i was slacking a little but since i proved my point, what does that even matter. When i fully invest on my boost and talk to people on discord i dont stop hunting for 2 hours, meaning i avg on the higher end instead of the 111kk at the end of my stream.

Note, i use all exp boosts possible. Every mob is full boosted, scroll, potions, stamina. This should he 100% included in consideration since its for everyone to use.

Nonetheless, i was not talking shit and even if you take 111kk(which was my minimum) as a reference, its still double the xp of the majority of classes.

Whats mind-blowing to me is those other pyros still show a peanut brain capacity while I show them hard proof:smartass:

Go livestream ur hunt and prove me im wrong. Jealousy is maaaaad.

You are honest, thats why ppl get supermad.
Robin shoot is playing a pyromancer called Nuxi, and of course ppl dont want to get "nerfed". Thats the reason he and all other pyros are desperate, even throwing barrels at TS lool. Every game needs to get adjusted by time. Paladins got his nerf, that was too much, and are getting adjusted. Now its time to wl, shamans and rangers (who were left behind for long), to recieve a boost, to play in a fair position, and pyros are getting the adjustment as well. Inferno can get 50% damage cut off, as long its 4 sec, its still op, but i personally dont want it, to remove ppl Joy in thr game, specially in a low populatedgame like zz. Just look at tibia, UE had no cooldown, now its 30sec. I know its hard to admit that the subclass you play is too strong, but its the truth.
And again, congratulations on your work, and your fairness.
Nerve
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5th February 2023 13:10:28 (Last edited 5th February 2023 13:13:06)

Quoting Robin Shoot:
@Godzilla
You missed the entire point of my post. My point was that even when people watch the same video different numbers come up (in this case with only a 5% difference). Let alone when there's no video and thus more unknowns making most numbers on the forum not very reliable. Hence staff members should test changes themselves as well rather than solely relying on what's posted here.

It is just mind boggling that the staff may be applying huge changes (both buffs and nerfs) without testing it themselves.

Would surprise me if people here would actually say: "nah, those who make the changes shouldn't test anything themselves."


You do know there will ALWAYS be a "buffer" for exp of around 5% due to the chance of elites and enraged monsters, one hunt you may get 5 elites then next you might get none. It seems like you just trash talk everyone and give ZERO evidence for your claims. Godzilla gave evidence when people where saying "LOL no way you get CLOSE to that exp" he came and proved them wrong.


Quoting Terror Soul:
Quoting Miimixu:
After quite a lot of testing today (around 5 hours), I've got some feedback and some numbers on Warlock.

Level 500, magic level 83.
Noble amulet, armor, legs, gauntlets, bracers, 2x noble ring, sinister eyes, devilish eyes and tukinouu.

Both are with EXP scroll and stamina.

I tried Boulder throwers, with full boost.
I capped at 12.5kk/h (1x exp as the test no longer has the event) but this was due to the spawn not being able to keep up.

I then tried Hardcore DKs, with full boost on Draco, Raging curse, Evil eye, Nocturne and Dark Knight.
I capped at around 14kk/h. This spawn is really risky even once you have the hang of it.

That with the fact the play style is super interactive and enjoyable I think warlocks are in a good spot between Barbarians and Paladin. One good addition would be to make whirlwind a little wider so you can be a wave type class.


Spawn on boulder throwers wasnt able to keep up? What the f are you talking about?... obviously the same thrash like godzila. Boulder thrower spawn is able to keep 2 x 450 shooters but not 1 warlock? Man leave and close he door. Ive tested the spawn aswell with 500 warlock, 84 mlvl, debuff and exp, full eq. I still was rusty, because havent played warlock for some time and it was hard for me to get used to change the combo style: deathblow cross life drain cross. I was making 14,5kk/h and still sometimes i missed the second cross or something. If played correctly + some elites spawn, it can go easily 16 or more there.
Conclusion is that when it goes to pyro mimi and godzi are adding some extra kk/h to make more drama, but If its go to other voc they are lowering the exp they made. Masters of lies or close friends to Staff. And no godzila, you re playstyle is not good, u use arrows on keyboard only,the rest is fully automatized, confirmed info. Go and sell next of your +-4789 bot subscriptions.


Lets do a test together, you stream your POV for 1 hour at Boulders on the test server and I will stream 1 hour at Boulders and lets see who's numbers are correct, deal?
Norzan
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5th February 2023 13:19:31 (Last edited 5th February 2023 13:34:21)

Rangers
Add 3 Ricochets -> 75% / 66% / 66%
In case of a Ranger x 1 monster -> 66% chance of ricochet 100%
Sorutz
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5th February 2023 14:39:01

Quoting Terror Soul:
Quoting Sorutz:
Guys i think we need to be honest with the game...

I am Pyromancer, i can say that pyro with high lvl was to OP, I belive that the second test server changes are realy good.

I hope they kep all the changes... So ty Staff realy good JOB


Man you changed pyro long time ago and stop exp on pyro, for sure you play on warrior and talking trash now. Go and share account with belzebot aka Bloody butcher old hakuna matata member which had passwords to every character there so he could have logged any character on every boss at the game kkk nerf paladin and barbarian less bots then kkkk nerf them all so they cant black and kill easily 5 x mighty werebears, maybe shaman will be needed in game then kkk



Stop Cry, i love pyro, i hate play in warrior, i play zezenia sense they had trainers, maybe u dont even know what i am talking about.... I play only with ranger and mages...

Those changes are good, so ty syaff for the balance
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