Yes but your just talking out of your own opinion, what u think about barbs and other classes in PVP, even if The guy Who replied is hunting alone, is it better not being able to hunt alone then? Its not, its with other words not balanced.
I havent mentioned anything in detail regarding barb pvp supports etc cuz The thread is not about these? Dunno why your whole post was about these.

I know barb are useful in pvp servs with their supports but does that mean we should stop there and let the barb vocation stay completely horrible in nonpvp? Maybe thats your opinion, for sure not mine.

And, The supports are obviously useful in pvp scenarios but The barbarian himself still stay weaker than paladins, escpecially if they have bravery etc.

Still what the thread is about is barbarian damage output and not about other classes supports etc.

Since paladins are stronger in an defensive way, it would make sense if barb actually would deal more dmg.

I love how people propose something stupid, u give them wider idea of whats going on and then they say i speak about that but no any wider.

If u speak just about dmg. Barbarians does more dmg. Rage of fury a lil stronger than desolation. Frnzy still gives u 17 atk which is extra dmg.

If u talk about damage only. Why bringing up blocking abilities?

If i ever played npvp which i wont, i would choose paladin over barbarian. But as Dan and couple more ppl do, when you talk about balancing stuff, u watch wider and u never forget pvp aspects. Its not like they will change barbarian spells in elysium and will leave them pvp servers.

Theres no way for further discussion since u play n pvp and u have n pvp mind. U dont care how useful barbarian is in pvp cuz his combined spells doesnt help much at all in pvm.

I wrote that i know exactly how useful they are in pvp, but the class itself dont do as good as a paladin, its unbalanced.

Every class has something useful in pvp but barbs and paladins has the same dmg output in The long run , no one cares about +2 dmg.
Noticable would be +50-100. Or more to say its an aggressive race.

Your saying im not taking pvp scenarios into consideration, but still saying we should just let it be, and leave barbs useless in nonpvp? Your actually not thinking wider yourself.

I Will leave this thread here, hopefully staff will look past what you do, and not favourise pvp servers in judgement.

You just answered your own puzzle.

That +17 barb buff will fit into your margin of 50-100 dmg upgrade compared to paladins.

I've proposed a few things in this thread which K-Z has responded to which would help with the situation.
Proposal

Scaling buffs would help with the feeling of not gaining much per level and K-Z thinking about making rangers/warriors a little more level based and less skill based would also help.

He could also make Barbs have a higher base crit chance/crit hit rate.
I.E currently it's 1% base crit, it could be 5-10% base and maybe a 20% base crit hit instead of 10%.

These things wouldn't make them OP but they would give them that little extra.

I really like Blind rush, its useful on all servers imo. I would like to see Barb get a spell where it's attack speed is doubled for a short duration, something like berserk where it lowers your def and mdef, maybe possilbly be spell immune (buff/debuff not damage spell) from enemy and allied parties for a short time.

Yes, but it doesn't effect the aoe and the dmg output aint no special to paladins.

Jeezus: Will check it out!