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Kuuro
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Pharos
Level 57
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8th April 2014 18:36:06 (Last edited 8th April 2014 18:43:40)

That's what makes Zezenia so different from Tibia, there you need 30 people to kill one... that is retarded. But here you don't need a big team to do stuff, allows the game to have more than 2 rulling guilds in the servers, is that what you wish? 2 big sides, less battles, less pvp action, less fun and dictatorship by the winning side when the big and only war is over?

edit: Take a look at the war videos by Leary, Kurtius, Felicity, Aniitta, Reaven etc. What a mess right? but funny ones achieved with the current balanced pvp balancing otherwise people would make alliances and alliances until there was only 2 war sides, etc.

As it is, you don't need to wait until you gather the minimum of 10 people to be able to do something, think about it
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Pharos
Level 252
Mage
8th April 2014 18:41:54

Quoting Koolera:
That's what makes Zezenia so different from Tibia, there you need 30 people to kill one... that is retarded. But here you don't need a big team to do stuff, allows the game to have more than 2 rulling guilds in the servers, is that what you wish? 2 big sides, less battles, less pvp action, less fun and dictatorship by the winning side when the big and only war is over?


It seems like you and warlockk just make things up in your head a lot of the time, I've never once stated I want to make it so you need 30 people to kill one (You seem to exaggerate a lot), I'm saying the higher level you get, you should have more survivability.

Making it so you have 40% reduced PVP damage at 200 isn't going to have that effect at all, most people would only have 30% reduced damage, so if someone can combo 1500 you would get hit for 1050.
The Warlockk
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Elysium
Level 190
Mage
8th April 2014 18:48:24

You said the pvp system NOW needs no skill. So youre the pvp KNOWLEDGE master, right?

All that coming from 6-7 battles?
Are you serious?...
Kuuro
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Pharos
Level 57
Mage
8th April 2014 18:53:00

Quoting El Viperz:
Quoting Koolera:
That's what makes Zezenia so different from Tibia, there you need 30 people to kill one... that is retarded. But here you don't need a big team to do stuff, allows the game to have more than 2 rulling guilds in the servers, is that what you wish? 2 big sides, less battles, less pvp action, less fun and dictatorship by the winning side when the big and only war is over?


It seems like you and warlockk just make things up in your head a lot of the time, I've never once stated I want to make it so you need 30 people to kill one (You seem to exaggerate a lot), I'm saying the higher level you get, you should have more survivability.

Making it so you have 40% reduced PVP damage at 200 isn't going to have that effect at all, most people would only have 30% reduced damage, so if someone can combo 1500 you would get hit for 1050.


I haven't played Tibia for so many years so I cannot provide an accurate number, mr. accurate... Who cares about the numbers as long as I've showed my point anyways?

Ok, you propose a maximum of 40% reduced damage, which is just absurd... Even 20% would still be absurd, it's not pvp-e so it's not like ppl ar going around on killing spree because there is a limit
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Pharos
Level 252
Mage
8th April 2014 19:01:19

Quoting The Warlockk:
You said the pvp system NOW needs no skill. So youre the pvp KNOWLEDGE master, right?

All that coming from 6-7 battles?
Are you serious?...


If I've came to the conclusion that it takes no skill after only 6-7 battles as you say, it doesn't look very good for the system does it.

Quoting Koolera:
Quoting El Viperz:
Quoting Koolera:
That's what makes Zezenia so different from Tibia, there you need 30 people to kill one... that is retarded. But here you don't need a big team to do stuff, allows the game to have more than 2 rulling guilds in the servers, is that what you wish? 2 big sides, less battles, less pvp action, less fun and dictatorship by the winning side when the big and only war is over?


It seems like you and warlockk just make things up in your head a lot of the time, I've never once stated I want to make it so you need 30 people to kill one (You seem to exaggerate a lot), I'm saying the higher level you get, you should have more survivability.

Making it so you have 40% reduced PVP damage at 200 isn't going to have that effect at all, most people would only have 30% reduced damage, so if someone can combo 1500 you would get hit for 1050.


I haven't played Tibia for so many years so I cannot provide an accurate number, mr. accurate... Who cares about the numbers as long as I've showed my point anyways?

Ok, you propose a maximum of 40% reduced damage, which is just absurd... Even 20% would still be absurd, it's not pvp-e so it's not like ppl ar going around on killing spree because there is a limit


40% damage reduction would maybe take an extra 1-2 per to kill someone, nowhere near the 10 or 30 you and warlockk say.
Zelazny Majszcz
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Pharos
Level 179
Warrior
8th April 2014 20:17:43

Yo i have very simple question. If killing other needs no skill and and in YOUR opinion lvl don;t givw us more survivability can you explain me how it is possible that Petee Yanke after hitting lvl 148 took overal 70 frags on his enemys (so he was active pvper) and died only 2 times? For your point of view he as very important biggest lvl target should get comboed by enemys all the time with no skill and died once by once.
The Warlockk
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Elysium
Level 190
Mage
8th April 2014 20:20:18

Some people from Elysium wanna try PvP without EVER dieing. They simply wanna fight but DONT WANNA DIE. That's what I'm seeing here on these complaints, 90% of them coming from people that have barely fought in their entire Zezenia experience.
Witold said it all with his words..
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Pharos
Level 252
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8th April 2014 23:22:48 (Last edited 8th April 2014 23:24:38)

Quoting Zbanowany Witold:
Yo i have very simple question. If killing other needs no skill and and in YOUR opinion lvl don;t givw us more survivability can you explain me how it is possible that Petee Yanke after hitting lvl 148 took overal 70 frags on his enemys (so he was active pvper) and died only 2 times? For your point of view he as very important biggest lvl target should get comboed by enemys all the time with no skill and died once by once.


The main thing is "I'm saying the higher level you get, you should have more survivability." that was from my post, you get some now but nowhere near enough, so I guess that's that bit cleared.

With Petee once he gained 148 he barely hunted anymore due to him never dying by sneaks (That's where a lot of deaths come from), and he's main frags are from people who killed someone so he went and killed them, if you take a look at his kill count you would see this.

Out of 73 Total kill (From level 148 like you stated) 32 of those where under level 100, yet only 26 of those kills where within 30 levels of him, it shows the majority of his kills where in fact people who had killed someone and where within HS level.


Quoting The Warlockk:
Some people from Elysium wanna try PvP without EVER dieing. They simply wanna fight but DONT WANNA DIE. That's what I'm seeing here on these complaints, 90% of them coming from people that have barely fought in their entire Zezenia experience.
Witold said it all with his words..


I'm from Elysium and I made the thread so I think this one might be towards me not sure here. I'm not to bothered about dying I've died quite a few times and mainly cause we go out numbered cause no one else fights otherwise, yesterday I attacked a level 8 while they where all in bersund, I died losing blessing (Just 2 of us where there) I then went back again and attacked then and ran around a bit before they got me again (Another bless), the point to this is I lost the "Char Lover" side of me quite a long time ago in Tibia.

I'm not asking to never die, I want a PvP system that can have the opportunity to show skill and tactics, at the moment the current tactic is get 3-4 mages combo one 150+ pally and kill him.

This will be my last post as it's more or less a spam fest, so I will email the link to Zezenia to try and get some light on this topic.
The Warlockk
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Elysium
Level 190
Mage
8th April 2014 23:37:40

Look, I don't and never did wanna disrespectful, but I'm very honest with the stuff I say, I can sound rude sometimes...

I have been agreeing to most of your latest ideas and proposals, to be honest, this PvP matter is just basically the only thing I disagree with you... This has to be discussed with the community, it's very important, you cannot just e-mail Zezenia Staff and think this will solve all your problems and get implemented. They will not listen to YOU. They will listen to the COMMUNITY. They will listen to you as PART of the community, but not as just a single player.
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Pharos
Level 252
Mage
8th April 2014 23:52:27

Quoting The Warlockk:
Look, I don't and never did wanna disrespectful, but I'm very honest with the stuff I say, I can sound rude sometimes...

I have been agreeing to most of your latest ideas and proposals, to be honest, this PvP matter is just basically the only thing I disagree with you... This has to be discussed with the community, it's very important, you cannot just e-mail Zezenia Staff and think this will solve all your problems and get implemented. They will not listen to YOU. They will listen to the COMMUNITY. They will listen to you as PART of the community, but not as just a single player.


I guess I lied in my last post (by saying I wouldn't post again).

I didn't mean for it to come across as "I will email them forgot a discussion", but K-Z can start topics and threads on a bigger scale than me and can get more information from players by asking people in the elder sage group, getting a poll posted on the front page and even display messages in game to direct more people to the discussion.

I'm mainly trying to get his attention on the topic, and propose a few other things as well.
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