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Elysium
Level 190
Mage
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8th February 2014 01:41:51 (Last edited 8th February 2014 02:01:33) Quoting Barry Snail: 1. Server Costs 2. Server longevity 3. Econemy 4. Will it have an impact on the current servers 5. What kind of example does it set for Zezenias Image and there is a ton more.... It's not as simple as you think, there isn't many players as it is and the players it "MIGHT" bring in probably wont be enough to cover the extra services needed. 1. Server costs will be paid by premium cards. People that do not have much time to play will only hunt for a couple hours = not have much money to fight. They will, therefore, buy premium cards to sell them at market and have money to fight. If not on market, they could be sellable to NPC for 5k each or so. Also, there would be osvald tasks, so yeah, more premium cards usage. 2. Server longevity: this server is not meant to be long. It can be resetable, if needed, it's a WAR server. It's not meant to get levels, loot rares, make team hunts, etc. It's ONLY TO FIGHT. try to understand that. There's a demand for a server like this. Yes, there is. 3. Economy; Economy will be heat by the player killing. I guarantee it be way better than the economy in Platon/Tipitaka/Tartarus because nobody buys stuff from market, only pcards and collect items, AFAIK. 4. Will it have an impact on the current servers: Yes, a good impact. It will attract back old players and therefore be more attractive for new players, since there will be more people playing. This server will be where every Zezenia players will have fights/wars and they will hunt on their own servers, Platon/Tipitaka/Tartarus. 5. What kind of example does it set for Zezenias Image: ARE YOU EFFFIN SERIOUS?LOL WHAT THE EFFF U THINK ZEZENIA IS? ONLYRPG GAME? So tell me why Tartarus had 80~50 online players for over a month? do you have some sort of mental problem with that question? (NO OFFENSE). |
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Pharos
Level 252
Mage
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8th February 2014 02:29:59 (Last edited 8th February 2014 02:30:59)
1. The surge of players at the start of the server wont cover the costs for the long term (Look at Tarts decline in players)
2. If it was reset say every 6 months the amount of people playing would decrease and they would stop buying premium cards it will also cause a lot of charge backs and tie in with number 5. 3. The economy would be a lot worse than the current servers due to constant resets and the same loot rate as the other servers. 4. I think the cons would out-weight the pros, yes it "MIGHT" bring back a few players for a little while, but it would yet again split up the already dwindling community this game has. 5. It would make the game look unstable and more like a OT rather than an original game, it would also make the game look emptier than it already is, with the 200 people spread across 5 different servers. and.... no offense taken :) |
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Elysium
Level 190
Mage
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8th February 2014 02:57:22 (Last edited 8th February 2014 03:00:16) Quoting Barry Snail: 1. The surge of players at the start of the server wont cover the costs for the long term (Look at Tarts decline in players) 2. If it was reset say every 6 months the amount of people playing would decrease and they would stop buying premium cards it will also cause a lot of charge backs and tie in with number 5. 3. The economy would be a lot worse than the current servers due to constant resets and the same loot rate as the other servers. 4. I think the cons would out-weight the pros, yes it "MIGHT" bring back a few players for a little while, but it would yet again split up the already dwindling community this game has. 5. It would make the game look unstable and more like a OT rather than an original game, it would also make the game look emptier than it already is, with the 200 people spread across 5 different servers. and.... no offense taken :) 1. Maybe yes, but it's worth trying, even if previously stated that this new server can be shutdown within just a couple weeks or months after the launch, like Test Servers work, for example. But still, it's better to give it a try than standing still, no? 2. It could be every 3 months or 6 months. Whatever. You gotta open up your mind, you're thinking as if you're gonna play it, I but I bet it does not fit your gameplaying style/profile. It's for gamers with no time to play. Look at OpenTibia Servers, for example, there are plenty of servers that can be shutdown at any momment and some people still pay with RL cash for VIPs and other stuffs, man. THERE IS a demand for it. You're not part of it, but there is. I know it. People would play it already knowing that there would be a chance that THAT SERVER(Only that server) could be shutdown or reset anytime soon. Keep in ming that it's a game, after all. Nobody will play it forever, we play for the momment, for the fun. In some years, most of us won't be here playing, so what's the problem with having ONE server that can(it can, but not saying it will) be reset/shutdown just after some weeks/months? You really think it's not worth to take the risk and try it? This could be a new era for Zezenia, with a different server to play, with different system, directed to another kind of target public. 3. The economy will be meant to cover the spences of War Supplies and Supplies to hunt. That's it. Nobody will care to loot rares or camp bosses on this server, so what's the worry with "perfect" economy? Are you serious? 4. No, no no. Don't get me wrong. I think you still did not understand the purpose of this server. This server would be meant to people not get attached to it, specially for people that cannot put much effort in means of time, but still can afford money to pay for supplies(by selling premium cards at Market/NPC) so they can waste it hunting or spend it fighting. Nowadays, people from all 4 servers only login to hunt monsters, get levels and camp bosses for rare items, right? Exactly. But on this new server, nobody would give importance for that. This server would be specially for battles and wars. Let me bring you an example. Right now a lvl 150 barbarian on Elysium might be camping Galiantors/Jovsretokk for rares. Let's say he gets tired of it, him and his friends go and login on this new MODIFIED EXPRATE WAR server to spend a couple minutes fighting for fun. At the same time, a level 160 Warlock from Platon that is solo hunting Villumb for rares decides to take a small break and logs in to this new MODIFIED EXPRATE WAR server to have some fun pking a bit and fighting battles. So they fight for some minutes, kill some people, kill themselves and whenever they get tired and feel like hunting cool stuff, they go back and log back in to their normal servers, where they play normally. That's related to the already existent players. Players that spend times hunting monsters. Now when it comes to the profile of players that only play to have wars, they would ONLY play this new WAR server, because they cant be asked to waste their times hunting monsters, they WANT TO FIGHT PVP. Did you get what I mean now? 5. I ask you again, are you serious? Most newcommers when come to this game dont even login, they look at the online counters of the servers, laugh for a couple seconds, then they talk shit about this game to whoever invited them to play and go search for other games with lots of players or just go back to their normal games. Trust me, I know it's not for every newcommer, but let's be realistic, most newcommers do that. A lot of people also think it's an OT(yeah, from Tib~, I'm not saying it with meaning of temporary game, I'm saying with the meaning of a Tib~ replica), a badly done OT. it's sad, but it's what it is. So IMO it can't get any worst when it comes to first impression and I honestly don't think that ONE server outta 5 servers would make it look like "an OT". There are 4 stable servers that haven't been reset for years and K-Z already stated that won't ever be any reset again. So why not make 1 new PvP-E server targeted for players that love wars, that cannot spend much time online, but have cash to pay in order to keep up the competition with other players? Why not make the attractiveness and target public wider than it already is for Zezenia Online? Open up your mind, dude. You play to hunt, to make friends, to loot rares, camp bosses, have a strong character to make better hunts, to profit more, to make more experience/hour, etc blablabla. That's YOU. But you gotta think about others too, you must recognize that there is not just your gaming style out there. There are people that think the stuff u'd like to do (hunting monsters) is not only boring, but also a waste of time. These people like to spend their times fighting PvP only and that's it. Think about it. It's called RELATIVISATION Good you didn't take it as offense, cuz I apreciate you're taking this proposal serious and actually discussing about it, you're not being a fail troll like Baltas generally is with his comments. |
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Platon
Level 11
Mage
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8th February 2014 04:22:01
if merge platon and tipitaka , create a new server enforced pvp with more exp
damn , this a good ideia xD |
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Pharos
Level 252
Mage
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8th February 2014 04:29:05 Quoting The Warlockk: Quoting Barry Snail: 1. The surge of players at the start of the server wont cover the costs for the long term (Look at Tarts decline in players) 2. If it was reset say every 6 months the amount of people playing would decrease and they would stop buying premium cards it will also cause a lot of charge backs and tie in with number 5. 3. The economy would be a lot worse than the current servers due to constant resets and the same loot rate as the other servers. 4. I think the cons would out-weight the pros, yes it "MIGHT" bring back a few players for a little while, but it would yet again split up the already dwindling community this game has. 5. It would make the game look unstable and more like a OT rather than an original game, it would also make the game look emptier than it already is, with the 200 people spread across 5 different servers. and.... no offense taken :) 1. Maybe yes, but it's worth trying, even if previously stated that this new server can be shutdown within just a couple weeks or months after the launch, like Test Servers work, for example. But still, it's better to give it a try than standing still, no? 2. It could be every 3 months or 6 months. Whatever. You gotta open up your mind, you're thinking as if you're gonna play it, I but I bet it does not fit your gameplaying style/profile. It's for gamers with no time to play. Look at OpenTibia Servers, for example, there are plenty of servers that can be shutdown at any momment and some people still pay with RL cash for VIPs and other stuffs, man. THERE IS a demand for it. You're not part of it, but there is. I know it. People would play it already knowing that there would be a chance that THAT SERVER(Only that server) could be shutdown or reset anytime soon. Keep in ming that it's a game, after all. Nobody will play it forever, we play for the momment, for the fun. In some years, most of us won't be here playing, so what's the problem with having ONE server that can(it can, but not saying it will) be reset/shutdown just after some weeks/months? You really think it's not worth to take the risk and try it? This could be a new era for Zezenia, with a different server to play, with different system, directed to another kind of target public. 3. The economy will be meant to cover the spences of War Supplies and Supplies to hunt. That's it. Nobody will care to loot rares or camp bosses on this server, so what's the worry with "perfect" economy? Are you serious? 4. No, no no. Don't get me wrong. I think you still did not understand the purpose of this server. This server would be meant to people not get attached to it, specially for people that cannot put much effort in means of time, but still can afford money to pay for supplies(by selling premium cards at Market/NPC) so they can waste it hunting or spend it fighting. Nowadays, people from all 4 servers only login to hunt monsters, get levels and camp bosses for rare items, right? Exactly. But on this new server, nobody would give importance for that. This server would be specially for battles and wars. Let me bring you an example. Right now a lvl 150 barbarian on Elysium might be camping Galiantors/Jovsretokk for rares. Let's say he gets tired of it, him and his friends go and login on this new MODIFIED EXPRATE WAR server to spend a couple minutes fighting for fun. At the same time, a level 160 Warlock from Platon that is solo hunting Villumb for rares decides to take a small break and logs in to this new MODIFIED EXPRATE WAR server to have some fun pking a bit and fighting battles. So they fight for some minutes, kill some people, kill themselves and whenever they get tired and feel like hunting cool stuff, they go back and log back in to their normal servers, where they play normally. That's related to the already existent players. Players that spend times hunting monsters. Now when it comes to the profile of players that only play to have wars, they would ONLY play this new WAR server, because they cant be asked to waste their times hunting monsters, they WANT TO FIGHT PVP. Did you get what I mean now? 5. I ask you again, are you serious? Most newcommers when come to this game dont even login, they look at the online counters of the servers, laugh for a couple seconds, then they talk shit about this game to whoever invited them to play and go search for other games with lots of players or just go back to their normal games. Trust me, I know it's not for every newcommer, but let's be realistic, most newcommers do that. A lot of people also think it's an OT(yeah, from Tib~, I'm not saying it with meaning of temporary game, I'm saying with the meaning of a Tib~ replica), a badly done OT. it's sad, but it's what it is. So IMO it can't get any worst when it comes to first impression and I honestly don't think that ONE server outta 5 servers would make it look like "an OT". There are 4 stable servers that haven't been reset for years and K-Z already stated that won't ever be any reset again. So why not make 1 new PvP-E server targeted for players that love wars, that cannot spend much time online, but have cash to pay in order to keep up the competition with other players? Why not make the attractiveness and target public wider than it already is for Zezenia Online? Open up your mind, dude. You play to hunt, to make friends, to loot rares, camp bosses, have a strong character to make better hunts, to profit more, to make more experience/hour, etc blablabla. That's YOU. But you gotta think about others too, you must recognize that there is not just your gaming style out there. There are people that think the stuff u'd like to do (hunting monsters) is not only boring, but also a waste of time. These people like to spend their times fighting PvP only and that's it. Think about it. It's called RELATIVISATION Good you didn't take it as offense, cuz I apreciate you're taking this proposal serious and actually discussing about it, you're not being a fail troll like Baltas generally is with his comments. I'm not only thinking about it from a players standpoint I'm thinking about it from K-Z's standpoint as he's the one who has to work out the expenses, the only thing here which is constant is him. Also I like the way you tag me as just hunting/bosses :p, when I first started this game I was in wars from day one till I eventually quit before the reset. I see there is a niche market for PvP in this game but I don't think it's enough to warrant a new server. People who aren't attached to the server and knowing it will go down within X amount of time will not spend a lot on the server it makes no sense. and if people are only using the server to war it would be like a worse version of "Calvera / Calva" on Tibia where people level up war then logg off, Tibia can do it cause there game is 1000x more populated than here. It would also take all the players from tartarus (not that there is many to start with) as why would you play on a server when there is a new one with higher exp and wars? KZ has already stated that he wouldn't reset any servers again so I doubt he would make an exception for this, I think it would be better to get he's say on the matter as we're just going round in circles here. PS: I barely ever take offense over a game, so it's all good :D |
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Pharos
Level 252
Mage
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8th February 2014 04:33:03 Quoting Farop: if merge platon and tipitaka , create a new server enforced pvp with more exp damn , this a good ideia xD I think the problem with that is. 1. Where would the merged server be hosted EU or US? 2. Why have Tartarus as everyone would move to the new one I really do like the idea of a faster server with wars and such, I just don't think having two PVP-E servers is logical at all with how the current online lists look. 5 Servers for a game with only 200 people is odd and a waste of money. |
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Elysium
Level 190
Mage
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8th February 2014 06:23:48 (Last edited 8th February 2014 06:43:40)
I'm the one giving this idea and I would not transfer...I don't think anyone else would tho, to be honest, even the level 20s.If they do, who cares?It just proves that this new server would be a success, even better than the already existent server(s).
Like I said, this new MODIFIED EXPRATE WAR server would be specifically for wars, ONLY for wars. On Tartarus, an already existent PvP-E server, you can war, there's no kill limitations, but you can teamhunt, you can hunt for rares, hunt bosses, hunt for experience, do quests, do whatever you want. But on the new server, you wouldn't. That's the main difference. Of Course K-Z has the last word, but I honestly think the server would pay itself and maybe even profit just from the Pcards sales from it. Having 2 PVP-E servers would not be logical at all if they were both exactly same, with the same system, something which they would certainly not be. 5 servers for a game with only 200 people is not odd. It woudl be odd if they were exactly same, but they're not: --Elysium: the only one Non pvp server. --Platon: first Pvp server; american. --Tipitaka; a pvp server option for europeans. --Tartarus: First PvP-E server, with the most important difference of unlimited killing and no PvP blessings, such as few others. Here you can still hunt like in any other server, make quests, loot rares, camp bosses, PG levels, teamhunt with friends, etc, due to the fact it has exact same experience rate as any other previous server and also will never be reset. --THIS NEW MODIFIED EXPRATE SERVER: Second PvP-E server, not just mainly, but ONLY targeted for war players. It's different from Tartarus because it's not meant to hunt, it's O N L Y to login, fight war and logout. That's the most important difference from Tartarus. Here you only level for few hours, no teamhunting, no boss hunting, no lvl PGing, no quests, but only 1 thing: wars. Anybody could do that, but people would not be interested due to the low experience rate at high levels and still same exp loss upon death. The experience stages would work like this: 10x downgrading to 5x from level 1 to 30. 5x to 2x from level 31 to 50. 2x to 1x from level 51 to 70+. And possibly add this: 1x to 0,5x from level 71 to 90+ 0,5 to level 91+ Quoting Barry Snail: People who aren't attached to the server and knowing it will go down within X amount of time will not spend a lot on the server it makes no sense. So tell me why a lot of people spend their money on OT servers, servers that can be shutdown anytime, with no guarantee at all of being kept up running. Also, don't compare this with Calvera, etc. I'm coming from Dolera/Inferna(from 2008 to 2013) on Tibia and I know that Zezenia Online is completely different in some aspects, including this one you're talking... And it's cool to know that you "fought wars from day one until the day you quit before the reset", but that is past. Let's put our feets on the floor and be realistic, we must talk about recent stuff. This server would be for people that do not like to hunt, either due to not having time to, but wanting to focus on wars, or because they just CBA wasting time hunting and only wanna fight wars. Being that, it - atleast apparently - does not fit your profile/gameplay style, but you must think on a perspective of players that fit it. |
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Pharos
Level 263
Warrior
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8th February 2014 08:26:49
Daniel you know I like you, but I will be blunt
Go to an OT with your ideas, this is a serious game with self respect ( I might hope ), such server would never fit to it |
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Platon
Level 45
Mage
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8th February 2014 10:09:38 Quoting Solid Ninja: Daniel you know I like you, but I will be blunt Go to an OT with your ideas, this is a serious game with self respect ( I might hope ), such server would never fit to it Sorry, but IMO it's not serious game... 5 years and such ammount of players? And listening only to 5 'key/imporant players' instead community? This game was serious till reset. |
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Pharos
Level 22
Ranger
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8th February 2014 11:40:59 Quoting Solid Ninja: Daniel you know I like you, but I will be blunt Go to an OT with your ideas, this is a serious game with self respect ( I might hope ), such server would never fit to it So serious , with serious 30 players online at pvp worlds and 60 at non pvp. |