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Ik Van Zewall
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Platon
Level 14
Mage
26th January 2014 17:31:12 (Last edited 26th January 2014 18:15:23)

Quoting Zhady:
barbarian are good but they are not the best vs paladin just change support skills or improve this shity (25% less mana) so he would be more viable in party

AFAIK, Kilter has a 360 secs cooldown with 300 secs duration = 5/6 x 0,25 = 20,83% less mana spent considering that you precisely renew the spell as soon as it's up. AKA, It is not 25% in the end, but 20~ %

Quoting Zhady:
1)first of all paladin have better healing / barbariab have +17 to melee so it is ok

Agreed.
Paladins: Better Healing, Permanent faster speedboost spell, they have the desolation Area of Effect with wider range, they get -10 melee, BUT +14 Defending AND +20% Hitpoints. Not even mentioning the support spells with shamans...

Barbarians: Shitty healing; faster speedboost based on Frenzy's cooldown, which is 135 secs (120 secs on, 15 seconds off); Rage of Fury only hits around them and with almost same damage as Desolation, even tho they're the "damage dealing subclass"; even tho they receive +17 Melee, they also get -10% Hitpoints, -15% Mana and -10 Defending, which sucks when their healing is weak.
Of course there is the OP Blind Rush that is getting "nerfed" in next update, the Barbarian+Warlock spells, but I still think Barbarians should not have a worse AoE spell when they are the subclass designed for Damage and PvP. It just makes no sense.

lvl 114 Paladin: 482ish healing with spell
lvl 100 Barbarian: 332 MAX healing with spell.
lvl 114 Barbarian: around 370 MAX healing with spell?
That's a HUGE difference, which is ok, but why still Paladins even have a better AoE spell!?

Quoting Zhady:

Also paladin have a better aoe like a desolation and they can tank more than 1 monster without any problems but barbarian cant

Exactly.
Blueberry Yum Yuum
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Platon
Level 152
Warrior
26th January 2014 17:34:18 (Last edited 26th January 2014 17:35:05)

stop fucking crying about everything/barbarians/paladin diffrences, they have so much more damage than paladins have, if u really wanna complain about paladins try to play one, aint that funny as you think it is.

So bitch please.
Dancore
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Pharos
Level 506
Mage
26th January 2014 17:40:28

Quoting King Tryndamere:

lvl 114 Paladin: 570 healing with spell
lvl 100 Barbarian: 332 MAX healing with spell.
lvl 114 Barbarian: around 370 MAX healing with spell?
That's a HUGE difference, which is ok, but why still Paladins even have a better AoE spell!?


What 114 paladin heals 570 max? That must have been a quite magic level. Maybe a bit more research of those numbers, barbarians heal might be correct but paladins is way off.
Ik Van Zewall
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Platon
Level 14
Mage
26th January 2014 17:42:05

Quoting Blueberry Yum Yuum:
stop fucking crying about everything/barbarians/paladin diffrences, they have so much more damage than paladins have, if u really wanna complain about paladins try to play one, aint that funny as you think it is.

So bitch please.

I'm sorry, but you have no arguments on your post.
Paladin's damage = Barbarian without buff. Of course it's less damage, but we all know exactly how much less damage it is; all we need to do is not use Frenzy and it's the same damage. It's an disadvantage, but which comes with several advantages mentioned above on my post.

"So bitch please.", mr Blueberry ;)
Wojtus Szaman
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Elysium
Level 298
Warrior
26th January 2014 17:45:36

" Better Healing, Permanent faster speedboost spell, they have the desolation Area of Effect with wider range, they get -10 melee, BUT +14 Defending AND +20% Hitpoints. Not to mention the support spells with shamans..."

Well you should metion the support spells because bravery it is the most op spell in the game -( paladin)

Compare this 2 skills Bravery and Increased Yield

1) Bravery reduce the damage received + duration depend on level and mlvl.cooldown 12 mins 150 level paladin and 150 level shaman have 9min duration of bravery and only 3min cooldown <--

2) Increased Yield 25% less mana for 300 second ( no duration depend on level/mlvl) also this spell have a higher cooldown - 15 mins
150 level barbarian + 150 level marksman still have 300 seconds for the skill
Ik Van Zewall
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Platon
Level 14
Mage
26th January 2014 18:14:41

Quoting Dancore:
What 114 paladin heals 570 max? That must have been a quite magic level. Maybe a bit more research of those numbers, barbarians heal might be correct but paladins is way off.

I'm sorry, Dancore. I mean't 470, that was a writing error, i'll edit that right now. But I was even wrong, look at this picture of Paladin lvl 114~ healing 482...
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@Zhady, Sorry, another error XD I meant Not even mentioning*. I'm gonna edit that too.
I didn't know you were talking about increased yielt too
Infix
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Pharos
Level 57
Warrior
26th January 2014 19:12:01

i dont want to be a badass, but nothing but a nerf on barbarians will happen on the incoming update. If you think that paladins under lvl 100 are good with less than melee 90, then go kill yourselves my friends.
Wojtus Szaman
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Elysium
Level 298
Warrior
26th January 2014 20:17:20

Quoting Infix:
i dont want to be a badass, but nothing but a nerf on barbarians will happen on the incoming update. If you think that paladins under lvl 100 are good with less than melee 90, then go kill yourselves my friends.


Next time read the whole theard before comment
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