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Rickstah
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Elysium
Level 424
Ranger
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1st May 2017 13:42:58

As the title says, this is a suggestion for barbarians.
My rl bro is currently playing a barb on non-pvp, we realized that there are no reasons at all to pick barb, everyone should just go with paladin. Why?

Paladin has way better survival abilities(heals/buffs along with shamans).
Barbarian which is supposed to be The agressive warrior class does The same melee dmg as a paladin, but The buff of barbarian boosts The dmg? Not much enough to rly make it worthy. My bro barely uses it, only if his hunting weaker monsters which are easier to block. And most of the time you want to hunt harder monsters to gain better exp.

The aoe of barbs and paladins are almost the same damage, which again makes it unworthy being a barb.
Due to these facts my bro always tells me.. "if i just picked pala from The beginning.. Better heal, buffs, same dmg"

My suggestion to barbs is a passive spell with restrictions depending on magic lvl. Also slightly increased dmg to barb aoe.
Passive spell (Focus Energy): Increases all dmg output by a certain % depending on magic lvl.

I strongly beleive that "Focus Energy" could be smth nice to implement, otherwise your a paladin with no support buffs and weaker heals, same dmg.
Skorilieeeloei
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Platon
Level 25
Warrior
1st May 2017 15:29:08

Wait the high level.
Baltas
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Pharos
Level 362
Mage
1st May 2017 15:32:21

Its really hard to balance things up between pvp and none pvp.
When balancing it, u cant say soul vanishing is worthless (it is worthless in elysium) but in pvp servers its useful. If u ignore the fact there are pvp servers and boost warlock because that spell is useless it will make unbalance in pvp server cuz waelocks would gain something more.
if barb gets more pvm abilities, then there would be no reason to pick paladin.
Rickstah
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Elysium
Level 424
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1st May 2017 16:55:46

Ye lets w8 till lvl 200+, very nice for new players, or is it? Ofc any voc is awesome on a high lvl. Dont rly know how that explains anything.

Ye but The Focus Energy buff i suggested is to balance out what the classes represents, barb as a dps.. Which u cant aknowledge today, and then The paladin with its survival abilities, same arguments towards pvp rly.

People would still make a good pick with paladin due to survival and barb due to sligthy higher dmg output.

I know these spells in pvp is a big factor, but theyre not effected by The buff i suggested. Even in pvp.. Ur actually supposed to do more dmg with a Barb(dps) that a paladin(defensive). At The moment barb is not a dps or a defensive class, until ofc.. As above reply stated, your lvl 200+
Licor Cafe
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Pharos
Level 240
Warrior
1st May 2017 17:03:31

Barbarian is even worse after lvl 200 on pvm by my point of view. After 100+ skills melee buff is not that great as it is on lower skills. On a paladin you can block everything (even better with party shaman) and aoeing is same and safer than barb.
I think boosting barbarian aoe a bit would be a great idea and wont unbalance the situation by my point of view.
Rickstah
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Elysium
Level 424
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1st May 2017 17:09:10

That was on point! Nice to hear from a high lvl barb to spread the words!
I fully agree and understand what your saying, we are actually experiencing the same, and as you said.. It wont unbalance, cuz paladins will still have the better defensive gameplay.
Zul
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Elysium
Level 239
Warrior
S1
10K
1st May 2017 17:47:29

Can't stop laughing at Baltas last bit of text. LOL, first of all we are talking about are PVE not PVP, and wth do you mean by saying "if barb gets more pvm abilities, then there would be no reason to pick paladin."

You are joking right? The paladin is a TANK, ofc it will still be super efficient in team hunts and a very big reason to play paladin.

The biggest problem here with the barbarian is the dmg it does for being a DPS warrior, it literally does the same dmg as a paladin, wich should not be the case.

Thats why barbarians should have a rework on abilities in PVE not necessarily in PVP. For example this idea with the "Energy Focus", or add a strong singletarget spell that have some cooldown to it, like somewhere around 5-20sec and make it only available in PVE.

The current damage buff for barbarians currenctly is "Frenzy" wich is not that effective at higher levels sadly, it also has too many negatives for getting so little. You get lowered health,mana,shielding for +17 melee and your character moves a liiiiiiittle bit faster.

They could also rework the spell "Frenzy" with something along the lines of "increases all damage by 5-10?% and increases crit chance by 2-5?%".

Or they could make the barbarian class be able to dual-wield and make the secondary weapon you use hit for 50% of your normal damage, wich ofc hits with the both weapons at the same time... or like 0.10 sec later or smth. Just coming up with ideas for a hopefully more fun and a more purpose to the class.


Anyways i really hope the staff see this and can see this is a problem, in this current state of the barbarians.

I regret i chose to be a barbarian. Sadly :(
Dancore
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Pharos
Level 506
Mage
1st May 2017 18:05:06

Who said barb is a dps class?

Does it read somewhere or you just made that up?
Rickstah
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Elysium
Level 424
Ranger
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1st May 2017 18:44:33

It doesnt say: Barbarian is all dps.
But, what would barb be? Another tank with a weaker heal and same dmg? In that point of view barbs are even worse then.

You can tell by the dmg buff that The class was originally made to do more dmg than paladins, since they own their opposites buff. (I Suppose).

The fact is that, barb don't have higher dmg as the intention seemed to be.

If its not supposed to be a dps alike type of warrior, what is it? Not a really Nice tank since paladin owns them in that matter with ease.

I hope staff will take some of the ideas into consideration to make barbarians worthy even in nonpvp.
Dancore
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Pharos
Level 506
Mage
1st May 2017 21:07:09

How about offensive class.

Doesn't mean barb has to deal more dmg but has other spells meant to be offensive in their way in pvp for example.

Same as what are you going to do in non-pvp with curse, antilocate, spike, cage, dispel, mass anti locate and locate on warlock. Antilocate, invis, mass invis and evasion on rogue. taunt or para on marksman. Brim cloud, invis and firewall on pyro.

Paladin and shaman are getting away with least spells not used in non-pvp but somehow now it's a problem after all these years Elysium been up cuz some guy and Licor Cafe (who solo hunts and doesn't even pvp) saying it's so bad.

I love barbs and they're way more attractive to me than paladins cuz of their OP spells which are used pvp wise, many others would agree with me as well. As Leary said, wait for high lvl and there's not many things you can't do what paladin can do.



Now you propose for barbs to get something to outclass paladins in a big way, to have those OP spells + something extra? Nice.

Go ask your server warlocks how they feel having 7 spells which are useless for them.
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