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Baltas Player Tipitaka Level 81 Mage	31st January 2012 15:00:56 (Last edited 31st January 2012 23:05:22) I would like to start with comparing mages buff. imagine all mages have 500hp without buf Warlock has absorbing aura 20%. so if u would like to combo warlock, u need to deal him 625dmg~ (625- 20% =500) means u have to deal 125% of warlock starting hp. Shaman +40% hp. So to combo shaman (5001.4=700) means u have to deal 140%* of shaman starting hp. Pyromancer 25% dmg vanishes + 25% blocked by mana, so total 50%. You have to deal 1000dmg to buffed pyromancer, so he lose his 500hp (1000 - 50% = 500) means u have to deal 200% of pyromancer starting hp Let's go to another point of view. What could every vocation do in a battle: Shaman -strong haste, paralyze,summons(especially if someone trapped), healing friends(helping surviving tanks) Pyromancer- teleport out of dangerous area, brimstone cloud~ (taking target away), invisible. Warlock- dark gathering, curse. Okay, I should agree, that before our last update warlock had advantage cause of locating and soul vanishing. We still have it, but since map is much bigger, using locate is way harder to find your target, same way soul vanishing loosing its power. By the way, u cant really notice damage difference between warlock and shaman. Tested it with doggy (he was 82lvl shaman 56m lvl) I was on 76lvl warlock with 61m lvl And don't forget, shamans used to be support sub voc, and warlocks/pyros are fighters I would like to see what people think about this, i will take criticism if its with arguments. Also, waiting for gms answer, if its going to be balanced some way, if not then why? and I would spend my time with any gm, who is able to do changes, to speak about everything.
Vee Player Tipitaka Level 19 Mage	31st January 2012 15:39:16 Well, I kind agree shaman's damage is bit too much. Otherwise, not rly needed of changes in my opinion.
Nuttyrob Player Platon Level 72 Ranger	31st January 2012 15:56:43 well I know this is kinda gonna kill you a little but absorbing aura only blocks 20% of damage not 25%. also you have to take into consideration that shamans lose 20% of their mana with their buff also since warlocks spell decreases dmg instead of adding hp it is much easier to heal off damage as a warlock then as a shaman so shaman and warlock buffs are fairly balanced. also pyromancers cant teleport out of danger or go invisible DURING battle and yes their buff is very unbalanced compared to most vocs, but then again when they have their buff on they are constantly losing mana from damage and their spells cost the highest amount of damage, so if your fighting a pyro just keep hitting them and hope you mess them up enough to where they cant do a full combo.
Isopet Premium Tipitaka Level 130 Mage	31st January 2012 15:59:28 100 post more like this, and u will 1 hit even 200 lvls if u still posting this crap
Doggy Player Tipitaka Level 103 Mage	31st January 2012 16:00:53 Cry me a river, Baltas!
Storm Cauldron Player Tipitaka Level 55 Mage	31st January 2012 16:40:20 @nuttyrob fully agreed
Royale Player Tipitaka Level 36 Ranger	31st January 2012 16:56:44 POsting crap? haha u guys are so well im not gonna use bad words here because i have a warning But Baltas explained in a really good way why its unbalanced, i cant really see it any more clear. My guess is that there are so few pyromancers maybe that's why, i guess it was hard for them to figure it's really because the lack of single spells they had. Btw the game needs alot balancing but i suppose that would also be considered crap? sure enjoy the game **** * * ****.
Nuttyrob Player Platon Level 72 Ranger	31st January 2012 17:02:09 Quoting Royale: POsting crap? haha u guys are so well im not gonna use bad words here because i have a warning But Baltas explained in a really good way why its unbalanced, i cant really see it any more clear. My guess is that there are so few pyromancers maybe that's why, i guess it was hard for them to figure it's really because the lack of single spells they had. Btw the game needs alot balancing but i suppose that would also be considered crap? sure enjoy the game **** * * ****. Now i may not be some big fancy city lawyer... But from my understand the gms have recognized that their is a slight balancing issue and they are making an update with like 60 new spells so why dont we wait till after these new spells come out to start complaining and rampaging Rome wasnt built in a day and neither will the balancing of all the vocations, just give the gms time to work out the kinks and enjoy the game.
Royale Player Tipitaka Level 36 Ranger	31st January 2012 17:08:35 Well nutty sure, but maybe thats why he made the post? because they didnt do it so well last time. I remember when warlocks could oneshot everyone etc, the history isnt very good.
Baltas Player Tipitaka Level 81 Mage	31st January 2012 18:46:33 Quoting Nuttyrob: well I know this is kinda gonna kill you a little but absorbing aura only blocks 20% of damage not 25%. also you have to take into consideration that shamans lose 20% of their mana with their buff also since warlocks spell decreases dmg instead of adding hp it is much easier to heal off damage as a warlock then as a shaman so shaman and warlock buffs are fairly balanced. also pyromancers cant teleport out of danger or go invisible DURING battle and yes their buff is very unbalanced compared to most vocs, but then again when they have their buff on they are constantly losing mana from damage and their spells cost the highest amount of damage, so if your fighting a pyro just keep hitting them and hope you mess them up enough to where they cant do a full combo. Okay, shamans lose mana when they are buffed, but don't forget that shaman combo cost less mana. Not sure what lvl buffed shaman needs to load full combo. Warlock needs 57lvl. Basically shaman can combo kill warlock, and warlock cant combo kill shaman (even cursed). Isn't it supposed to be warlock>shaman in pvp? if u ask why, it's because shaman is great in team hunts, which helps him getting easier lvls. Shaman got better buff (already told u arguments) and their support spells helps more to survive(strong haste/kill(paralyze) A lil more about warlock/pyromancer. If u are sure that warlock absorbing aura is 20%, then let's see. I am lvl 79 warlock (640hp) if i aborsb 20% it means i can block 800hp. What lvl pyromancer needs to block that dmg? 31!!!! and shaman 65lvl. I fully agree that pyromancer should have stronger buff than other mages, but for lvl under 50, its harder to combo warrior than pyromancer. @ Isopet it sounded like criticism, but it's still not fixed as i stated, that's why i post it. @ Doggy what it's supposed to mean?